again, its not about it being good or whatever.
It is just a collector so to say. Its a german vehicle which should find its place in the german tree.
Same stands for the KF41, nobody says its good , but we still want it. because it represents a piece of german history
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Arent the thermals for the 30 super french btw?
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At the same time you complained about the Hunter F.58 already. At the end of the day its the same plane only modified. Its present in germany as well currently
This quite literally is untrue, the Swiss Hunter has a RWR, countermeasures and AIM-9J equivalent which the British Hunters lack - this argument you’ve shown quite literally goes against the entire argument for the AMX-30 S to be introduced into the German TT?
Keep the Swiss Hunter, remove the Leo 2s from France and don’t add the AMX-30 S to Germany
So again hypocricy where it benefits you, many would argue F-16s and Leopards are classics as well.
Why do meteor and spitfire have an exception
Top tier vehicles being C&P has a significantly larger impact on the community than a Spitfire being in almost every TT, there is a understanding that most nations weren’t well developed enough to produce a early jet fighter at that time so exceptions can be made for lower BR vehicles.
The AMX.30 Super could be introduced just as much as the Hawker Hunter, Meteor or Spitfire
There is a lack for a need for the AMX-30 S to be introduced in Germany, you can’t have every vehicle which pleases you lol.
I know that the AMX-30B had French thermals and the AMX-30 Super was developed from that but I’m not sure.
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Its always hard to take that seriously when we see Uk players ask for canadian leopards as well.
Personaly i am all for a nation to get all its developed vehicles as they represent parts of its history.
If they are a subtree all those vehicles should be added so those subtree nations players can recreate their own nation as well
“and modern gunner thermal imaging equipment” Dunno if the equipment piece itself is france, but they apparantly never bothered integrating it, that was done by germans
The swiss hunter F58 in germany and not shared iwth britain is pretty pathetic though in all honesty its not been touched by germany as far as im aware.
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The swiss hunter F58 in germany and not shared iwth britain is pretty pathetic though in all honesty its not been touched by germany as far as im aware
I honestly couldn’t even care if Germany got a British vehicle, just don’t continue to take vehicles like the AMX-30 S which aren’t necessary whatsoever. Germany does suffer in some areas which I totally agree with but their 9.3 lineup is very strong and doesn’t need to be reinforced with a AMX.
u seem to be forgetbale, show me where i stated its fair the Swiss hunter was added to germany.
I literaly said it should be added to UK as well.
Point still stands the hunter in french tree has as much existential reason as the AMX 30S would have in the german tree.
and whats with the meteor, spitfires, F-16s and Hawker hunter in the french tree hypocrit?
So where it benefits your argument, i understand. Not like the AMX30S has the same BR as the Hawker hunter. Which would make your argum,ent pretty poor.
No need is required, its a german vehicle. Show me the need for the belgian air tree
It is not about necessity, it is about possibility.
A distincion you have repeatedly FAILED to understand
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In all fairness the reason it was asked for is the canadians and UK are militarily well connected.
However In all honesty they should not merge all this crap as such, I also find it mega random that britain has the Bhishma which in game is essentially a C&P T90 for intents and purposes.
WDYM didnt bother intergrating it? the french AMX30B series all had thermals… intergrated, which was before the amx30 S was thought up of genuinely curious, I did read into the 30 super and last I read about it the thermals were french, seen mention of upgraded FCS aka stab and such but never seen the thermals come up.
It depends but doesn’t it, the fact is were now bleeding trees into one another, and gaijin is using it as an excuse to be lazy .
“we could try a bit of effort to give france a french premium” but nah well use a 2a4.
Like cmon man, sweden does have the christian 2 which is “kinda unique” as they do a lot of their own stuff to the leos but cmon, like whats it gonna end with VT4A1 in Japan, T90s’ and such in britain due to india xD its just silly when you look further down the line.
Agreed there.
There wasn’t one last I checked quite a few people wish there wasnt xD Myself included, it made the bestt french plane (before rafale) the f16 xD
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You could abolish the whole suggestion tab if you only care about necessity
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Example
It’s a possibility that the UK becomes the best TT because C&P slop like the Rafale might be added with the excuse that it was operated from India, this would itself cause havoc in the forums and split the community in two with one supporting and against it.
Does it mean that this should happen whatsoever? No, they don’t need a Rafale since they got other vehicles which are more distinct which can fill in the role you want, you don’t need the AMX-30 S but can get another vehicle at a similar BR filling crucial areas like 10.0.
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Could we also argue that the leopard 1 . M60 and any other tank that used the Royal ordenance cannon belongs in britain? as the cannon is an integeral part of an MBT xD
See where it starts to get daft?
Id rather see for germany the much more awesome leopards 1a3 and 1a4! that have the cool spaced turret design like the 2k
i have no idea about french stuff, the way it was worded sounded like it
only VT4, japan one would lack the APS system
at least you say that, but Hydra in the mean time justifies it for the meteor , hawker hunter and spitfire like they are exceptions, which i dont understand
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at least you say that, but Hydra in the mean time justifies it for the meteor , hawker hunter and spitfire like they are exceptions, which i dont understand
I didn’t justify it, I said I didn’t have a issue with it - preferably I’d prefer a unique vehicle obviously but things which are already implemented cant drastically be changed. I want to prevent additional C&P vehicles or unnecessary vehicles from being added, you continue to use C&P vehicles as an excuse however.
That I agree but there should be limit on something that not entirely German made
And when I say this, I mean not just German but should apply for any vehicle from any TT.
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Its one of those convoluted ones without direct sources I reckon mate.
Thats the one! but aye that seems a tad silly no? like japan is bare bones at that BR as well but putting a chinese MBT at top tier cause of the sub trees would be a bit ridiculous.
The hawker hunter in their tree alone is a joke its one of the better ones and at a lower BR than others xD
The spitfire kinda makes sense same as theres US planes everywhere. As for the meteor im kinda reserved I like it being in the british tree, ofc its in isreal but they ahd literally no other choice at the time, as for france it wasnt necessary at all so yeah he is contradicting himself.
And the problem is where in this?
i take it you never played war thunder and looked at interactions between UK and germany.
Or US and UK and so on. Nation mains splitting in the community in 2 is literaly daily business
in that regard show me Uks meta aircraft with FNF armament, OR germanys, or italys.
it realy feels like you are losing the ability to read
You do contradict yourself with it.
They can be removed as easily as implemented people just act like it cant.
Or they can entirely change how these planes work.
Whole game is essentially subject to change
i mean, to me it would sound the same as british hunters and the german one.
The difference is minimal with countermeasures and so on.
But its made in to a big matter. Once again where do we draw the line. Why does the VT4 lacking APS make it undesirable. But UK going crazy about countermeasures
They can be removed as easily as implemented people just act like it cant.
Or they can entirely change how these planes work
Then lets make a massive protest and review bomb Gaijin to remove the Leopard 2s from the French TTs. Oh wait you can’t and why? You need enough people to support this first and secondly if not enough people have a issue with it then Gaijin wont change something that isn’t broken.
Pushing Gaijin to remove a paid model is hard within itself, then you’ll have people arguing against it as it puts newer players to a disadvantage as they cannot obtain it now making the new to old player disparity significantly larger than it already is.
Removing vehicles like the Leopard 2s is a complex matter which needs to be thoroughly discussed but this isn’t the main topic - the main topic being the AMX-30 S (I do take blame for derailing the conversation a bit as well lol).
I’ll be blunt with you, possibility means absolute sh*t in War Thunder and is a INCREDIBLY weak argument hence why I’ve ignored it, possibly is more of a fallacy hopping that Gaijin will actually add it, you need a large amount of support and momentum to change a possibility to happening or happened.
How it feels arguing against you so far
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