So everything that made the AMX-30 Super the AMX-30 Super is German
Gaijin also consideres 1 tank and 1 SPAA as a whole lineup.
And, be honest, an SPAA is not worth much against tanks…
The TKX (P) will still be able to be in the same lineup as the Type 81 (C)
Fuming about the Swiss Hunter but being fine with a better F.6 at a lower BR.
That one i am not fighting, its a french vehicle to begin with.
At the same time you complained about the Hunter F.58 already. At the end of the day its the same plane only modified. Its present in germany as well currently.
So again hypocricy where it benefits you, many would argue F-16s and Leopards are classics as well.
Why do meteor and spitfire have an exception.
The AMX.30 Super could be introduced just as much as the Hawker Hunter, Meteor or Spitfire.
thats off topic and moving goal posts. We never said its what germany needs.
We expressed our intrest for it to be added to germany at one point.
Nowhere did we state it needs to be done now
So everything that made the AMX-30 Super the AMX-30 Super is German
Very intelligent comeback, so if I add a flag on top of a T-34-85 and introduced a improved radio and call it the T-34-85M and then go on to say that “so everything that made the T-34-85M the T-34-85M is Hydra’s” doesn’t make it anymore of a better case.
Gaijin also consideres 1 tank and 1 SPAA as a whole lineup
And? My point is that Gaijin does indeed take lineups into consideration when handling newly introduced vehicles which is now undeniably true so what argument do you have for this?
Fuming about the Swiss Hunter but being fine with a better F.6 at a lower BR
So lets exclude the SRAAM from this shall we? The BR placement of the British F.6 is questionable but at the end of the day the SRAAM will always be superior to the AIM-9Bs - fix the issues with the SRAAM and the British F.6 will be fine.
Trust me you don’t need it AMX-30 super is sht I mean I used it grinding to Leclerc and I never enjoy that tank
I must say id rather see it not get added to germany out of hte fact this mix and match of trees really is bleeding the game of uniqueness.
The “new” premium for france is inexcusable in all honesty.
Agree as well the benelux Air tree is shambolic at best itsall just copy and paste vehicles.
Aren’t the thermals though french? thought france was one of the leading designers of thermal sights.
In which it contradicts itself.
They state they dont want to introduce a nerfed Leclerc as it will be alone at 11.7, however that also means the new “prototype” for the TT is either going to be 11.3 or 12.0.
Which means that leclerc premium very much could of been added.
They also stated that a lineup in their eyes can consist of only two vehicles. Evidence in japan 11.7 and france 10.0
again, its not about it being good or whatever.
It is just a collector so to say. Its a german vehicle which should find its place in the german tree.
Same stands for the KF41, nobody says its good , but we still want it. because it represents a piece of german history
Arent the thermals for the 30 super french btw?
At the same time you complained about the Hunter F.58 already. At the end of the day its the same plane only modified. Its present in germany as well currently
This quite literally is untrue, the Swiss Hunter has a RWR, countermeasures and AIM-9J equivalent which the British Hunters lack - this argument you’ve shown quite literally goes against the entire argument for the AMX-30 S to be introduced into the German TT?
Keep the Swiss Hunter, remove the Leo 2s from France and don’t add the AMX-30 S to Germany
So again hypocricy where it benefits you, many would argue F-16s and Leopards are classics as well.
Why do meteor and spitfire have an exception
Top tier vehicles being C&P has a significantly larger impact on the community than a Spitfire being in almost every TT, there is a understanding that most nations weren’t well developed enough to produce a early jet fighter at that time so exceptions can be made for lower BR vehicles.
The AMX.30 Super could be introduced just as much as the Hawker Hunter, Meteor or Spitfire
There is a lack for a need for the AMX-30 S to be introduced in Germany, you can’t have every vehicle which pleases you lol.
I know that the AMX-30B had French thermals and the AMX-30 Super was developed from that but I’m not sure.
Its always hard to take that seriously when we see Uk players ask for canadian leopards as well.
Personaly i am all for a nation to get all its developed vehicles as they represent parts of its history.
If they are a subtree all those vehicles should be added so those subtree nations players can recreate their own nation as well
“and modern gunner thermal imaging equipment” Dunno if the equipment piece itself is france, but they apparantly never bothered integrating it, that was done by germans
The swiss hunter F58 in germany and not shared iwth britain is pretty pathetic though in all honesty its not been touched by germany as far as im aware.
The swiss hunter F58 in germany and not shared iwth britain is pretty pathetic though in all honesty its not been touched by germany as far as im aware
I honestly couldn’t even care if Germany got a British vehicle, just don’t continue to take vehicles like the AMX-30 S which aren’t necessary whatsoever. Germany does suffer in some areas which I totally agree with but their 9.3 lineup is very strong and doesn’t need to be reinforced with a AMX.
u seem to be forgetbale, show me where i stated its fair the Swiss hunter was added to germany.
I literaly said it should be added to UK as well.
Point still stands the hunter in french tree has as much existential reason as the AMX 30S would have in the german tree.
and whats with the meteor, spitfires, F-16s and Hawker hunter in the french tree hypocrit?
So where it benefits your argument, i understand. Not like the AMX30S has the same BR as the Hawker hunter. Which would make your argum,ent pretty poor.
No need is required, its a german vehicle. Show me the need for the belgian air tree
It is not about necessity, it is about possibility.
A distincion you have repeatedly FAILED to understand
In all fairness the reason it was asked for is the canadians and UK are militarily well connected.
However In all honesty they should not merge all this crap as such, I also find it mega random that britain has the Bhishma which in game is essentially a C&P T90 for intents and purposes.
WDYM didnt bother intergrating it? the french AMX30B series all had thermals… intergrated, which was before the amx30 S was thought up of genuinely curious, I did read into the 30 super and last I read about it the thermals were french, seen mention of upgraded FCS aka stab and such but never seen the thermals come up.
It depends but doesn’t it, the fact is were now bleeding trees into one another, and gaijin is using it as an excuse to be lazy .
“we could try a bit of effort to give france a french premium” but nah well use a 2a4.
Like cmon man, sweden does have the christian 2 which is “kinda unique” as they do a lot of their own stuff to the leos but cmon, like whats it gonna end with VT4A1 in Japan, T90s’ and such in britain due to india xD its just silly when you look further down the line.
Agreed there.
There wasn’t one last I checked quite a few people wish there wasnt xD Myself included, it made the bestt french plane (before rafale) the f16 xD
You could abolish the whole suggestion tab if you only care about necessity
Example
It’s a possibility that the UK becomes the best TT because C&P slop like the Rafale might be added with the excuse that it was operated from India, this would itself cause havoc in the forums and split the community in two with one supporting and against it.
Does it mean that this should happen whatsoever? No, they don’t need a Rafale since they got other vehicles which are more distinct which can fill in the role you want, you don’t need the AMX-30 S but can get another vehicle at a similar BR filling crucial areas like 10.0.
Could we also argue that the leopard 1 . M60 and any other tank that used the Royal ordenance cannon belongs in britain? as the cannon is an integeral part of an MBT xD
See where it starts to get daft?
Id rather see for germany the much more awesome leopards 1a3 and 1a4! that have the cool spaced turret design like the 2k
i have no idea about french stuff, the way it was worded sounded like it
only VT4, japan one would lack the APS system
at least you say that, but Hydra in the mean time justifies it for the meteor , hawker hunter and spitfire like they are exceptions, which i dont understand
at least you say that, but Hydra in the mean time justifies it for the meteor , hawker hunter and spitfire like they are exceptions, which i dont understand
I didn’t justify it, I said I didn’t have a issue with it - preferably I’d prefer a unique vehicle obviously but things which are already implemented cant drastically be changed. I want to prevent additional C&P vehicles or unnecessary vehicles from being added, you continue to use C&P vehicles as an excuse however.
That I agree but there should be limit on something that not entirely German made
And when I say this, I mean not just German but should apply for any vehicle from any TT.