that would be funny sight to see and I’m sure Russian main will Riot to death that UK get better SU-30 than they do but again I’m not support that nonsense since Sweden have MI-28 and T-80U
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so what you are saying is, china should ahve been a russian subtree
sweden a german one and israel a US subtree ok i understand.
Cause if you remove the non unique stuff those trees dont have a reason to exist alone
"fine " literaly all copy paste stuff in your own words non unique
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so what you are saying is, china should ahve been a russian subtree
I said the core nations in-game which did operate the Leopard or F-16 can keep them, I’m saying that sub-TTs like India or Finland shouldn’t introduce C&P vehicles of their own, a great example is Benelux ground, they’ve brought next to nothing of worth and is almost entirely pointless from a unique standpoint.
"fine " literaly all copy paste stuff in your own words non unique
They introduced vehicles like the Hawker Hunter which isn’t as present as the Leopard 2s in different TTs making it less severe hence I’m fine with it, you’re not thinking very logical are you?
Excluding their F-16s by the way, everything 10.3 and below is perfectly fine
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maybe Belgium but not Netherlands
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explain to me again the worth in their aviation tree
Ok you are fine with that, but at the same moment fight against the AMX 30 Super, thats hypocrisy once again. So you only fight for sth if its beneficial for you, i completly understand.
What you said about the Hawker Hunter could be said exactly about the AMX 30 Super as well
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The Mirage 5BA is actually a pretty good vehicle, the vehicle itself also has French origins so it’s a 10/10 for me (not gameplay wise). The Hawker Hunter F.6 is only present in Britain and France so its not as C&P as something like the Leopard 2s and sits at a great BR.
The Meteor and Spitfire are fine vehicles and are present in a lot of different TTs but are more classical and don’t raise issues with me, the F-16s like mentioned before SHOULD be removed however.
Ok you are fine with that, but at the same moment fight against the AMX 30 Super, thats hypocrisy once again
I said remove the Leopard 2s from France and don’t introduce the AMX-30 S in Germany, introduce another unique vehicle instead for Germany at 9.3 and replace the Leopard 2s with something else.
The priority for Germany isn’t a AMX-30 S but a new top tier SPAA to counter the SU-30SM spam
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I mean the core of AMX 30 is from France it does not surprise that France got that tanks
which German shouldn’t get that
Same as Leopard 2 in France TT I’m not support and hate it too the core but seem Gaijin added it because their laziness to fix Leclerc (I blame Gaijin’s incompetent in this case)
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So everything that made the AMX-30 Super the AMX-30 Super is German
Gaijin also consideres 1 tank and 1 SPAA as a whole lineup.
And, be honest, an SPAA is not worth much against tanks…
The TKX (P) will still be able to be in the same lineup as the Type 81 (C)
Fuming about the Swiss Hunter but being fine with a better F.6 at a lower BR.
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That one i am not fighting, its a french vehicle to begin with.
At the same time you complained about the Hunter F.58 already. At the end of the day its the same plane only modified. Its present in germany as well currently.
So again hypocricy where it benefits you, many would argue F-16s and Leopards are classics as well.
Why do meteor and spitfire have an exception.
The AMX.30 Super could be introduced just as much as the Hawker Hunter, Meteor or Spitfire.
thats off topic and moving goal posts. We never said its what germany needs.
We expressed our intrest for it to be added to germany at one point.
Nowhere did we state it needs to be done now
So everything that made the AMX-30 Super the AMX-30 Super is German
Very intelligent comeback, so if I add a flag on top of a T-34-85 and introduced a improved radio and call it the T-34-85M and then go on to say that “so everything that made the T-34-85M the T-34-85M is Hydra’s” doesn’t make it anymore of a better case.
Gaijin also consideres 1 tank and 1 SPAA as a whole lineup
And? My point is that Gaijin does indeed take lineups into consideration when handling newly introduced vehicles which is now undeniably true so what argument do you have for this?
Fuming about the Swiss Hunter but being fine with a better F.6 at a lower BR
So lets exclude the SRAAM from this shall we? The BR placement of the British F.6 is questionable but at the end of the day the SRAAM will always be superior to the AIM-9Bs - fix the issues with the SRAAM and the British F.6 will be fine.
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Trust me you don’t need it AMX-30 super is sht I mean I used it grinding to Leclerc and I never enjoy that tank
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I must say id rather see it not get added to germany out of hte fact this mix and match of trees really is bleeding the game of uniqueness.
The “new” premium for france is inexcusable in all honesty.
Agree as well the benelux Air tree is shambolic at best itsall just copy and paste vehicles.
Aren’t the thermals though french? thought france was one of the leading designers of thermal sights.
In which it contradicts itself.
They state they dont want to introduce a nerfed Leclerc as it will be alone at 11.7, however that also means the new “prototype” for the TT is either going to be 11.3 or 12.0.
Which means that leclerc premium very much could of been added.
They also stated that a lineup in their eyes can consist of only two vehicles. Evidence in japan 11.7 and france 10.0
again, its not about it being good or whatever.
It is just a collector so to say. Its a german vehicle which should find its place in the german tree.
Same stands for the KF41, nobody says its good , but we still want it. because it represents a piece of german history
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Arent the thermals for the 30 super french btw?
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At the same time you complained about the Hunter F.58 already. At the end of the day its the same plane only modified. Its present in germany as well currently
This quite literally is untrue, the Swiss Hunter has a RWR, countermeasures and AIM-9J equivalent which the British Hunters lack - this argument you’ve shown quite literally goes against the entire argument for the AMX-30 S to be introduced into the German TT?
Keep the Swiss Hunter, remove the Leo 2s from France and don’t add the AMX-30 S to Germany
So again hypocricy where it benefits you, many would argue F-16s and Leopards are classics as well.
Why do meteor and spitfire have an exception
Top tier vehicles being C&P has a significantly larger impact on the community than a Spitfire being in almost every TT, there is a understanding that most nations weren’t well developed enough to produce a early jet fighter at that time so exceptions can be made for lower BR vehicles.
The AMX.30 Super could be introduced just as much as the Hawker Hunter, Meteor or Spitfire
There is a lack for a need for the AMX-30 S to be introduced in Germany, you can’t have every vehicle which pleases you lol.
I know that the AMX-30B had French thermals and the AMX-30 Super was developed from that but I’m not sure.
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Its always hard to take that seriously when we see Uk players ask for canadian leopards as well.
Personaly i am all for a nation to get all its developed vehicles as they represent parts of its history.
If they are a subtree all those vehicles should be added so those subtree nations players can recreate their own nation as well
“and modern gunner thermal imaging equipment” Dunno if the equipment piece itself is france, but they apparantly never bothered integrating it, that was done by germans
The swiss hunter F58 in germany and not shared iwth britain is pretty pathetic though in all honesty its not been touched by germany as far as im aware.
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The swiss hunter F58 in germany and not shared iwth britain is pretty pathetic though in all honesty its not been touched by germany as far as im aware
I honestly couldn’t even care if Germany got a British vehicle, just don’t continue to take vehicles like the AMX-30 S which aren’t necessary whatsoever. Germany does suffer in some areas which I totally agree with but their 9.3 lineup is very strong and doesn’t need to be reinforced with a AMX.
u seem to be forgetbale, show me where i stated its fair the Swiss hunter was added to germany.
I literaly said it should be added to UK as well.
Point still stands the hunter in french tree has as much existential reason as the AMX 30S would have in the german tree.
and whats with the meteor, spitfires, F-16s and Hawker hunter in the french tree hypocrit?
So where it benefits your argument, i understand. Not like the AMX30S has the same BR as the Hawker hunter. Which would make your argum,ent pretty poor.
No need is required, its a german vehicle. Show me the need for the belgian air tree
It is not about necessity, it is about possibility.
A distincion you have repeatedly FAILED to understand
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