Me want AMX-30 S, me get AMX-30 S - literally your argument, straight up Croods material (search it up).
“I HAVE AN IDEA” aaah argument
So the same as giving out Leopards to all other nations and US jets to other nations as well?
Ragebait, I’m literally against this and have said so in mainly other topics, the Leopards should remain in Germany and the F-16s in America unless said nations operated them (the main nations in-game). Stop saying random points which I’ve agreed upon even before your response, it’s called logic.
Thats about top tier premiums, thats a complete different matter
Ah yes, because the hypothetical Leclerc would be 11.7 means it should receive different treatment? So trve!
its a german vehicle, i dont need more reasons. It was never exported and never trialed anywhere.
Under gajins owns rules it has a place in germany.
I dont understand why u dont understand it.
man you live a sad life, the game would look very boring if its your hand,
You pretty much can remove sweden from the game then, same as israel, even china on top.
They all mostly exist cause of imported vehicles.
Purists are a problem for war thunder
shouldn’t been add at the begin with especially for historical reasons Dutch military integrate with Bundeswehr so basically it had nothing to do with France but had more reason to be with German.
man you live a sad life, the game would look very boring if its your hand,
You pretty much can remove sweden from the game then, same as israel, even china on top.
They all mostly exist cause of imported vehicles.
Purists are a problem for war thunder
Yes, because I want the Rafale in every TT and the Leopard 2A7 in every TT as well since that definitely will bring joy to all players in-game! The entire point of a TT is to have a different experience, that’s the point of a TT if I don’t get said unique experience?
That literally would make grinding another TT pointless as the current TT you play already has everything an a example of this would be YOUR hypothetical UK with Indian vehicles.
Do I like India as a sub-TT? Sure
Do I want C&P vehicles over indigenous Indian vehicles? Absolutely not, India has their own unique vehicles and including aviation, you don’t need the Rafale or other nations slop in the UK and making it feel less British (even if its a Indian Rafale).
I’m not a purist, just don’t flood TTs with C&P slop
I literally agree, Benelux aviation is fine but they’ve brought nothing of worth for France ground and should be removed and especially the Dutch as they’re more closer to Germany military like you’ve said.
that would be funny sight to see and I’m sure Russian main will Riot to death that UK get better SU-30 than they do but again I’m not support that nonsense since Sweden have MI-28 and T-80U
so what you are saying is, china should ahve been a russian subtree
I said the core nations in-game which did operate the Leopard or F-16 can keep them, I’m saying that sub-TTs like India or Finland shouldn’t introduce C&P vehicles of their own, a great example is Benelux ground, they’ve brought next to nothing of worth and is almost entirely pointless from a unique standpoint.
"fine " literaly all copy paste stuff in your own words non unique
They introduced vehicles like the Hawker Hunter which isn’t as present as the Leopard 2s in different TTs making it less severe hence I’m fine with it, you’re not thinking very logical are you?
Excluding their F-16s by the way, everything 10.3 and below is perfectly fine
explain to me again the worth in their aviation tree
Ok you are fine with that, but at the same moment fight against the AMX 30 Super, thats hypocrisy once again. So you only fight for sth if its beneficial for you, i completly understand.
What you said about the Hawker Hunter could be said exactly about the AMX 30 Super as well
The Mirage 5BA is actually a pretty good vehicle, the vehicle itself also has French origins so it’s a 10/10 for me (not gameplay wise). The Hawker Hunter F.6 is only present in Britain and France so its not as C&P as something like the Leopard 2s and sits at a great BR.
The Meteor and Spitfire are fine vehicles and are present in a lot of different TTs but are more classical and don’t raise issues with me, the F-16s like mentioned before SHOULD be removed however.
Ok you are fine with that, but at the same moment fight against the AMX 30 Super, thats hypocrisy once again
I said remove the Leopard 2s from France and don’t introduce the AMX-30 S in Germany, introduce another unique vehicle instead for Germany at 9.3 and replace the Leopard 2s with something else.
The priority for Germany isn’t a AMX-30 S but a new top tier SPAA to counter the SU-30SM spam
I mean the core of AMX 30 is from France it does not surprise that France got that tanks
which German shouldn’t get that
Same as Leopard 2 in France TT I’m not support and hate it too the core but seem Gaijin added it because their laziness to fix Leclerc (I blame Gaijin’s incompetent in this case)
That one i am not fighting, its a french vehicle to begin with.
At the same time you complained about the Hunter F.58 already. At the end of the day its the same plane only modified. Its present in germany as well currently.
So again hypocricy where it benefits you, many would argue F-16s and Leopards are classics as well.
Why do meteor and spitfire have an exception.
The AMX.30 Super could be introduced just as much as the Hawker Hunter, Meteor or Spitfire.
thats off topic and moving goal posts. We never said its what germany needs.
We expressed our intrest for it to be added to germany at one point.
Nowhere did we state it needs to be done now
So everything that made the AMX-30 Super the AMX-30 Super is German
Very intelligent comeback, so if I add a flag on top of a T-34-85 and introduced a improved radio and call it the T-34-85M and then go on to say that “so everything that made the T-34-85M the T-34-85M is Hydra’s” doesn’t make it anymore of a better case.
Gaijin also consideres 1 tank and 1 SPAA as a whole lineup
And? My point is that Gaijin does indeed take lineups into consideration when handling newly introduced vehicles which is now undeniably true so what argument do you have for this?
Fuming about the Swiss Hunter but being fine with a better F.6 at a lower BR
So lets exclude the SRAAM from this shall we? The BR placement of the British F.6 is questionable but at the end of the day the SRAAM will always be superior to the AIM-9Bs - fix the issues with the SRAAM and the British F.6 will be fine.
I must say id rather see it not get added to germany out of hte fact this mix and match of trees really is bleeding the game of uniqueness.
The “new” premium for france is inexcusable in all honesty.
Agree as well the benelux Air tree is shambolic at best itsall just copy and paste vehicles.
Aren’t the thermals though french? thought france was one of the leading designers of thermal sights.
In which it contradicts itself.
They state they dont want to introduce a nerfed Leclerc as it will be alone at 11.7, however that also means the new “prototype” for the TT is either going to be 11.3 or 12.0.
Which means that leclerc premium very much could of been added.
They also stated that a lineup in their eyes can consist of only two vehicles. Evidence in japan 11.7 and france 10.0
again, its not about it being good or whatever.
It is just a collector so to say. Its a german vehicle which should find its place in the german tree.
Same stands for the KF41, nobody says its good , but we still want it. because it represents a piece of german history
At the same time you complained about the Hunter F.58 already. At the end of the day its the same plane only modified. Its present in germany as well currently
This quite literally is untrue, the Swiss Hunter has a RWR, countermeasures and AIM-9J equivalent which the British Hunters lack - this argument you’ve shown quite literally goes against the entire argument for the AMX-30 S to be introduced into the German TT?
Keep the Swiss Hunter, remove the Leo 2s from France and don’t add the AMX-30 S to Germany
So again hypocricy where it benefits you, many would argue F-16s and Leopards are classics as well.
Why do meteor and spitfire have an exception
Top tier vehicles being C&P has a significantly larger impact on the community than a Spitfire being in almost every TT, there is a understanding that most nations weren’t well developed enough to produce a early jet fighter at that time so exceptions can be made for lower BR vehicles.
The AMX.30 Super could be introduced just as much as the Hawker Hunter, Meteor or Spitfire
There is a lack for a need for the AMX-30 S to be introduced in Germany, you can’t have every vehicle which pleases you lol.
I know that the AMX-30B had French thermals and the AMX-30 Super was developed from that but I’m not sure.
Its always hard to take that seriously when we see Uk players ask for canadian leopards as well.
Personaly i am all for a nation to get all its developed vehicles as they represent parts of its history.
If they are a subtree all those vehicles should be added so those subtree nations players can recreate their own nation as well
“and modern gunner thermal imaging equipment” Dunno if the equipment piece itself is france, but they apparantly never bothered integrating it, that was done by germans
