Literally all I’m saying is that Germany doesn’t need the AMX-30 S, I even agreed that France shouldn’t of gotten the Leopard 2s. It’s stupid, this just makes TTs less unique and less attractive to grind, basic thought process.
I didn’t expect people to jump on me for having a logical idea, honestly just disappointing (not you, them), I have respect for what you have to say and your opinions, it’s just other people constantly going on and on and on.
I think the issue lies in how you and them view this. For them, AMX 30 S isn’t a “need”, it’s a “want” (similar to how the DF105 was a want for French players for their very own reasons) - so it’s not that they think Germany needs the vehicle for… whichever reason, they just want it becase it was created by Germany (i.e the reason for the “want”).
It’s two completely opposing points of view that are inherently disagreeable with each other. Both perfectly logical, both valid.
Shrug.
because i dont need to lol.
thats a completly different thing.
A proper comparison would be you parent is an immigrated indian to germany. You mother is indian and your father german.
You never visited indian and dont speak indian. Are you german or indian? You were born in german and speak german. You might have an indian inheritance. But that doesnt make you indian. You got a german passport as well.
excuses
So the same as giving out Leopards to all other nations and US jets to other nations as well?
Thats called hypocrisy. Why should some nations be punished for exports but france be rewarded?
It shouldnt be, if france exported the plane then those nations should get it as well.
Thats about top tier premiums, thats a complete different matter
origin french yes,it was once french but it is german now
I think the issue lies in how you and them view this. For them, AMX 30 S isn’t a “need”, it’s a “want” (similar to how the DF105 was a want for French players for their very own reasons) - so it’s not that they think Germany needs the vehicle for… whichever reason, they just want it
Well yeah, many nations want their vehicles added but this doesn’t just magically happen, the addition of the AMX-30 S is very nuance and oddly specific.
Germany can get a lot more other 9.3s with updated models and more love than the decaying AMX-30 S which for the most part is a forgotten vehicle.
I want a J-10B but crying wont magically land it in the Chinese TT will it (not saying you were the one crying)? I also want the J-15 as a event vehicle pretty badly but having irrational arguments wont bring me any step closer to it. The main issue is that Germany is already full of 9.3 vehicles, what they need is a competent top tier SPAA and more top tier light tanks, not a AMX-30 S (and even in the future, they simply don’t need it).
I’m happy that we’ve came to a civil consensus between me and you at least, if Gaijin wants to add the AMX-30 S I can’t stop them lol
Exactly, but that doesnt mean we arent allowed to expresse the desire for it to be added some time in the future
its nothing specific it is a german vehicle getting requested for germany. Its a similar situation like the Chally 130. It is getting asked for the same reasons.
nobodys stoping you and i completly support it, in the future like the AMX 30 Super it definitly should be added
Ever heared of variance? Some like it some not. Everybody can play like they want. Its addition is no priority, but should be done at one point
because i dont need to lol
Me want AMX-30 S, me get AMX-30 S - literally your argument, straight up Croods material (search it up).
“I HAVE AN IDEA” aaah argument
So the same as giving out Leopards to all other nations and US jets to other nations as well?
Ragebait, I’m literally against this and have said so in mainly other topics, the Leopards should remain in Germany and the F-16s in America unless said nations operated them (the main nations in-game). Stop saying random points which I’ve agreed upon even before your response, it’s called logic.
Thats about top tier premiums, thats a complete different matter
Ah yes, because the hypothetical Leclerc would be 11.7 means it should receive different treatment? So trve!
its a german vehicle, i dont need more reasons. It was never exported and never trialed anywhere.
Under gajins owns rules it has a place in germany.
I dont understand why u dont understand it.
man you live a sad life, the game would look very boring if its your hand,
You pretty much can remove sweden from the game then, same as israel, even china on top.
They all mostly exist cause of imported vehicles.
Purists are a problem for war thunder
shouldn’t been add at the begin with especially for historical reasons Dutch military integrate with Bundeswehr so basically it had nothing to do with France but had more reason to be with German.
man you live a sad life, the game would look very boring if its your hand,
You pretty much can remove sweden from the game then, same as israel, even china on top.
They all mostly exist cause of imported vehicles.
Purists are a problem for war thunder
Yes, because I want the Rafale in every TT and the Leopard 2A7 in every TT as well since that definitely will bring joy to all players in-game! The entire point of a TT is to have a different experience, that’s the point of a TT if I don’t get said unique experience?
That literally would make grinding another TT pointless as the current TT you play already has everything an a example of this would be YOUR hypothetical UK with Indian vehicles.
Do I like India as a sub-TT? Sure
Do I want C&P vehicles over indigenous Indian vehicles? Absolutely not, India has their own unique vehicles and including aviation, you don’t need the Rafale or other nations slop in the UK and making it feel less British (even if its a Indian Rafale).
I’m not a purist, just don’t flood TTs with C&P slop
I literally agree, Benelux aviation is fine but they’ve brought nothing of worth for France ground and should be removed and especially the Dutch as they’re more closer to Germany military like you’ve said.
that would be funny sight to see and I’m sure Russian main will Riot to death that UK get better SU-30 than they do but again I’m not support that nonsense since Sweden have MI-28 and T-80U
so what you are saying is, china should ahve been a russian subtree
sweden a german one and israel a US subtree ok i understand.
Cause if you remove the non unique stuff those trees dont have a reason to exist alone
"fine " literaly all copy paste stuff in your own words non unique
so what you are saying is, china should ahve been a russian subtree
I said the core nations in-game which did operate the Leopard or F-16 can keep them, I’m saying that sub-TTs like India or Finland shouldn’t introduce C&P vehicles of their own, a great example is Benelux ground, they’ve brought next to nothing of worth and is almost entirely pointless from a unique standpoint.
"fine " literaly all copy paste stuff in your own words non unique
They introduced vehicles like the Hawker Hunter which isn’t as present as the Leopard 2s in different TTs making it less severe hence I’m fine with it, you’re not thinking very logical are you?
Excluding their F-16s by the way, everything 10.3 and below is perfectly fine
maybe Belgium but not Netherlands
Ok you are fine with that, but at the same moment fight against the AMX 30 Super, thats hypocrisy once again. So you only fight for sth if its beneficial for you, i completly understand.
What you said about the Hawker Hunter could be said exactly about the AMX 30 Super as well
The Mirage 5BA is actually a pretty good vehicle, the vehicle itself also has French origins so it’s a 10/10 for me (not gameplay wise). The Hawker Hunter F.6 is only present in Britain and France so its not as C&P as something like the Leopard 2s and sits at a great BR.
The Meteor and Spitfire are fine vehicles and are present in a lot of different TTs but are more classical and don’t raise issues with me, the F-16s like mentioned before SHOULD be removed however.
Ok you are fine with that, but at the same moment fight against the AMX 30 Super, thats hypocrisy once again
I said remove the Leopard 2s from France and don’t introduce the AMX-30 S in Germany, introduce another unique vehicle instead for Germany at 9.3 and replace the Leopard 2s with something else.
The priority for Germany isn’t a AMX-30 S but a new top tier SPAA to counter the SU-30SM spam
I mean the core of AMX 30 is from France it does not surprise that France got that tanks
which German shouldn’t get that
Same as Leopard 2 in France TT I’m not support and hate it too the core but seem Gaijin added it because their laziness to fix Leclerc (I blame Gaijin’s incompetent in this case)
So everything that made the AMX-30 Super the AMX-30 Super is German
Gaijin also consideres 1 tank and 1 SPAA as a whole lineup.
And, be honest, an SPAA is not worth much against tanks…
The TKX (P) will still be able to be in the same lineup as the Type 81 (C)
Fuming about the Swiss Hunter but being fine with a better F.6 at a lower BR.
That one i am not fighting, its a french vehicle to begin with.
At the same time you complained about the Hunter F.58 already. At the end of the day its the same plane only modified. Its present in germany as well currently.
So again hypocricy where it benefits you, many would argue F-16s and Leopards are classics as well.
Why do meteor and spitfire have an exception.
The AMX.30 Super could be introduced just as much as the Hawker Hunter, Meteor or Spitfire.
thats off topic and moving goal posts. We never said its what germany needs.
We expressed our intrest for it to be added to germany at one point.
Nowhere did we state it needs to be done now
So everything that made the AMX-30 Super the AMX-30 Super is German
Very intelligent comeback, so if I add a flag on top of a T-34-85 and introduced a improved radio and call it the T-34-85M and then go on to say that “so everything that made the T-34-85M the T-34-85M is Hydra’s” doesn’t make it anymore of a better case.
Gaijin also consideres 1 tank and 1 SPAA as a whole lineup
And? My point is that Gaijin does indeed take lineups into consideration when handling newly introduced vehicles which is now undeniably true so what argument do you have for this?
Fuming about the Swiss Hunter but being fine with a better F.6 at a lower BR
So lets exclude the SRAAM from this shall we? The BR placement of the British F.6 is questionable but at the end of the day the SRAAM will always be superior to the AIM-9Bs - fix the issues with the SRAAM and the British F.6 will be fine.
Trust me you don’t need it AMX-30 super is sht I mean I used it grinding to Leclerc and I never enjoy that tank
