For a South African competition. After South African vehicles were added to the British tree. And don’t argue manufacturers since the Hawker Hunter is in the German tree.
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And before it was declared a sub tree get the facts straight.
Sadly event vehicles have special rules and gajin doesnt wanna implement event vehicles into other trees cause they lose “value”.
germany has no fault here either
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irrelevant when talking about a justified link.
technically wasnt a subtree.
different issue.
Gaijin seems to be pushing the swiss as a german subtree. and subtree trumps manufacturer currently in WT.
its a swiss aircraft. not a british one.
Hahaha, wrong.
The UK is one of 3 operators nations of the Ram II (Canada, UK, Netherlands). So saying they have no claim is just painting you in a worse light.
Among how everything else about it was built to British doctrine.
And on the Skink, the UK had tested the Skink, well the US has rejected the Skink before even testing it only at most watching Canadian show it if.
So it’s the US with nothing to do with these vehicles, M4A5 a paper name that was changed for recording purposes for the ones the US tested which is not the model in game & an SPAA they didn’t even consider…
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In that case Uk should have gotten british flagged versions of the vehicles easy as that.
They had no grounds to implement the canadian flagged ones in that case. And the result of that is that Uk still had no right to canadian vehicles, if they used them, themself. Its not that hard.
That being said generaly trialed vehicles only are highly debated and if those should count in the first place.
not realy, i just couldnt care less after your guys X time to cry for canada in the british tech tree and it getting denied and denied every time.
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then search for options US F5 got random countermeasure upgrades as well didnt they?
You are only using this for excuses
I’ve argued against the addition of countermeasures on the F-5C nearly in every topic discussing it, I’m strongly against the ahistorical features the YaK-41M and favour more historical loadouts for vehicles, don’t use this false fallacy against me lol.
You are the one stating it as a reason, i said it didnt matter. The A1A1 doesnt forbid the implementation
You are the one searching for excuses here
You’re yet to make a valid enough argument for the AMX-30 S to be introduced into the German TT, your argument is quite literally the definition of cope - you want it because 5% of the parts are German lmao.
If I’m Indian and put a German hat on myself, does that make me ethnically German all of a sudden?
thats again searching for excuses, where does one draw the line? It was modified by germans and is another vehicle, it is a german vehicle. It stands being the same situation as the T-84 Oplot. The degree is different but same situation. By its nature the T-80 only is a modification as well
The difference between the T-84 and the AMX-30 Super is vastly different and shouldn’t be compared to one another, the T-84 is equipped with the KBA3 tank gun, uses a domestically produced turret design, the hull and EVERY single part of the vehicle is manufactured in Ukraine and operates a semi-indigenous FCS.
The AMX-30 S on the other hand is a already existing French AMX-30B which received upgrades from the German, the core of the vehicle itself and a ton of the sub-systems remain French nonetheless.
The main upgrades for the AMX-30 S was the engine, transmission and FCS (thermals are included in the FCS), other than that it remains French - the AMX-30 S furthermore was developed from the already established AMX-30B which itself is a French manufactured, upgraded and designed vehicle.
and still doesnt matter, i can give you multiple quotes of Smin stating canada is not a subtree
That isn’t a consideration when Canada isn’t a sub-TT of any nation in-game, they place Canadian vehicles where its needed and hence why both the US and UK received the Ram II - the UK operated the Ram II anyways so cry me a river.
Why? India is an official subtree of UK, of course they should be able to get access to all indian vehicles.
I only support nation and their subtrees. India is an officaly implemented nation in the game with a home and players should be able to play those line ups.
In the same nature UK received Gripens and France F-16s. Are you calling to get those removed as well
That doesn’t mean the UK should receive the Rafale, the UK doesn’t need it as the entire point of sub-TTs is for them to fill in missing gaps in an already established TT like the UK. Giving the UK TT the Rafale basically makes high tier France pointless lmao (and this is coming from a irl Brit).
Line ups dont have much meaning. BRs are formable and the 0.3 br steps dont matter
LOL, LMAO even!
Gaijin LITERALLY just made a disclosure on why they don’t want to introduce a prototype Leclerc as a premium and their reasoning is that it wouldn’t have a lineup so you’re entirely wrong, lineups ARE indeed considered when introducing vehicles.
you forgot a few things. Like armor kits, road wheels, gunner thermal, cooling system and so on
Don’t forget about the tracks! You’re listing incredibly minor and nuance additions which doesn’t take away from the origins of the AMX-30 S, it still remains French lmao.
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Bro is just looking for excuses lmao.
Wait, you’re the guy who said Merk Mk.III can stop 3BM-60, lmaoooo.
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Stupid point, Leo2s all have german origins, yet france already has three and its getting fourth one
Don’t be fooled, I’m against the addition of pure German vehicles in the French TT and would prefer more unique vehicles produce and built by France themselves, this would help avoid more C&P materials which is running rampant in War Thunder.
I support the removal of Leopards in the French TT
I was ragebaiting, obviously 3BM60 goes through the Merkava lol (you honestly can’t believe I was fr), keep deflecting anyways.
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Sure I will little bud. Not like it’s not what you’ve been doing this entire time by bringing up vehicles irrelevant to this thread, on top of simply disregarding people’s counterarguments on why the 30 S can (not saying it should, can never take chances with people like you) be put into the German TT, but hey, whatever helps you cope, alright?
Literally all I’m saying is that Germany doesn’t need the AMX-30 S, I even agreed that France shouldn’t of gotten the Leopard 2s. It’s stupid, this just makes TTs less unique and less attractive to grind, basic thought process.
I didn’t expect people to jump on me for having a logical idea, honestly just disappointing (not you, them), I have respect for what you have to say and your opinions, it’s just other people constantly going on and on and on.
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I think the issue lies in how you and them view this. For them, AMX 30 S isn’t a “need”, it’s a “want” (similar to how the DF105 was a want for French players for their very own reasons) - so it’s not that they think Germany needs the vehicle for… whichever reason, they just want it becase it was created by Germany (i.e the reason for the “want”).
It’s two completely opposing points of view that are inherently disagreeable with each other. Both perfectly logical, both valid.
Shrug.
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because i dont need to lol.
thats a completly different thing.
A proper comparison would be you parent is an immigrated indian to germany. You mother is indian and your father german.
You never visited indian and dont speak indian. Are you german or indian? You were born in german and speak german. You might have an indian inheritance. But that doesnt make you indian. You got a german passport as well.
excuses
So the same as giving out Leopards to all other nations and US jets to other nations as well?
Thats called hypocrisy. Why should some nations be punished for exports but france be rewarded?
It shouldnt be, if france exported the plane then those nations should get it as well.
Thats about top tier premiums, thats a complete different matter
origin french yes,it was once french but it is german now
I think the issue lies in how you and them view this. For them, AMX 30 S isn’t a “need”, it’s a “want” (similar to how the DF105 was a want for French players for their very own reasons) - so it’s not that they think Germany needs the vehicle for… whichever reason, they just want it
Well yeah, many nations want their vehicles added but this doesn’t just magically happen, the addition of the AMX-30 S is very nuance and oddly specific.
Germany can get a lot more other 9.3s with updated models and more love than the decaying AMX-30 S which for the most part is a forgotten vehicle.
I want a J-10B but crying wont magically land it in the Chinese TT will it (not saying you were the one crying)? I also want the J-15 as a event vehicle pretty badly but having irrational arguments wont bring me any step closer to it. The main issue is that Germany is already full of 9.3 vehicles, what they need is a competent top tier SPAA and more top tier light tanks, not a AMX-30 S (and even in the future, they simply don’t need it).
I’m happy that we’ve came to a civil consensus between me and you at least, if Gaijin wants to add the AMX-30 S I can’t stop them lol
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Exactly, but that doesnt mean we arent allowed to expresse the desire for it to be added some time in the future
its nothing specific it is a german vehicle getting requested for germany. Its a similar situation like the Chally 130. It is getting asked for the same reasons.
nobodys stoping you and i completly support it, in the future like the AMX 30 Super it definitly should be added
Ever heared of variance? Some like it some not. Everybody can play like they want. Its addition is no priority, but should be done at one point
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because i dont need to lol
Me want AMX-30 S, me get AMX-30 S - literally your argument, straight up Croods material (search it up).
“I HAVE AN IDEA” aaah argument
So the same as giving out Leopards to all other nations and US jets to other nations as well?
Ragebait, I’m literally against this and have said so in mainly other topics, the Leopards should remain in Germany and the F-16s in America unless said nations operated them (the main nations in-game). Stop saying random points which I’ve agreed upon even before your response, it’s called logic.
Thats about top tier premiums, thats a complete different matter
Ah yes, because the hypothetical Leclerc would be 11.7 means it should receive different treatment? So trve!
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its a german vehicle, i dont need more reasons. It was never exported and never trialed anywhere.
Under gajins owns rules it has a place in germany.
I dont understand why u dont understand it.
man you live a sad life, the game would look very boring if its your hand,
You pretty much can remove sweden from the game then, same as israel, even china on top.
They all mostly exist cause of imported vehicles.
Purists are a problem for war thunder
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shouldn’t been add at the begin with especially for historical reasons Dutch military integrate with Bundeswehr so basically it had nothing to do with France but had more reason to be with German.
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man you live a sad life, the game would look very boring if its your hand,
You pretty much can remove sweden from the game then, same as israel, even china on top.
They all mostly exist cause of imported vehicles.
Purists are a problem for war thunder
Yes, because I want the Rafale in every TT and the Leopard 2A7 in every TT as well since that definitely will bring joy to all players in-game! The entire point of a TT is to have a different experience, that’s the point of a TT if I don’t get said unique experience?
That literally would make grinding another TT pointless as the current TT you play already has everything an a example of this would be YOUR hypothetical UK with Indian vehicles.
Do I like India as a sub-TT? Sure
Do I want C&P vehicles over indigenous Indian vehicles? Absolutely not, India has their own unique vehicles and including aviation, you don’t need the Rafale or other nations slop in the UK and making it feel less British (even if its a Indian Rafale).
I’m not a purist, just don’t flood TTs with C&P slop
I literally agree, Benelux aviation is fine but they’ve brought nothing of worth for France ground and should be removed and especially the Dutch as they’re more closer to Germany military like you’ve said.
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that would be funny sight to see and I’m sure Russian main will Riot to death that UK get better SU-30 than they do but again I’m not support that nonsense since Sweden have MI-28 and T-80U
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so what you are saying is, china should ahve been a russian subtree
sweden a german one and israel a US subtree ok i understand.
Cause if you remove the non unique stuff those trees dont have a reason to exist alone
"fine " literaly all copy paste stuff in your own words non unique
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