AMX-30 Super - Made in France, Perfected by Germany

[dotSHINI]

explain to me again how france needs the DF105, there is multiple other 8.0 vehicles including the clovis which is in both trees as well, and multiple 7.7 or 8.3 vehicles.

@TPS_Hydra

this suggestion is entirely pointless since its already established that the AMX-30 isn’t going to Germany anytime soon

and this isnt realy true either, they said under the current suggestion forum, how it works they cant add it as a thread. Since they didnt think of such cases before hand.

Gajin is implementing vehicles shared more and more to all user nations.
Ram2, skink, osa, strella, df105, clovis and so on
the amx 30 super should not be an exception

[TPS_Hydra]

It’s not about what Germany needs, It’s about what’s German

Ironic, then give us back the Swiss Hunter, all you can do is take, take and take. Germany is morbidly obese from the sheer amount of vehicles they have and France simply isn’t - at the core of things the AMX-30 is a French vehicle and isn’t German anyways lmao.

@dotSHINI

Ram2, skink, osa, strella, df105, clovis and so on

Those vehicles aren’t in the same category as the AMX-30 S when it comes to implementation, Canada was a dominion of the UK during WW2 hence why we received the Skink and Ram II, the DF105 and Clovis is more of a unique case and other than them vehicles and excluding few exceptions no other TTs get this level of treatment besides Germany and France.

Whether a TT needs something or not is something up for consideration when implementing vehicles, Germany already had the A1A1 (L/44) at the time

[dotSHINI]

@TPS_Hydra

Ironic, then give us back the Swiss Hunter, all you can do is take, take and take

buddy, you are barking up the wrong tree. Is anyone of us stoping you from asking for a better hunter?
No buddy is stoping britains from asking for the Hunter FGA MK 9. i am all for its implementation as well

@TPS_Hydra

Germany is morbidly obese from the sheer amount of vehicles they have and France simply isn’t

somebody is ignoring that german exists longer in the game in ground as france.
A tree that exists longer naturaly has more additions, thats basic math. Compare vehicles additions over the time. Every nation roughly gets the same amount of vehicles

@TPS_Hydra

AMX-30 is a French

amx-30 yes, but the amx 30 super is german, germany heavily modified the vehicle. Even war thunder itself says so.
You saying the amx 30 super is not german, is the same as saying the T-84 Oplot is not ukrainian but russian.

@TPS_Hydra

Canada was a dominion of the UK during WW2 hence why we received the Skink and Ram II

doesnt matter that its a dominion, its still not a subtree and UK strictly speaken has no right to the vehicle and they still got it

@TPS_Hydra

he DF105 and Clovis is more of a unique case and other than them vehicles and excluding few exceptions no other TTs get this level of treatment besides Germany and France.

and that should be changed easy as that fair implementations at the same time should be the way forward. Just as UK should get rafale

@TPS_Hydra

Whether a TT needs something or not is something up for consideration when implementing vehicles, Germany already had the A1A1 (L/44) at the time

So France didnt need the DF105 either, and you are looking for excuses? We arent complaining that france got it before germany or not at the same time.
We are asking for it to be implemented to germany in the future. The A1A1 L/44 doesnt matter here.
Doesnt need to be a premium, could be tech tree, squadron or event for all we care

[Godvana]

@TPS_Hydra

Ironic, then give us back the Swiss Hunter, all you can do is take, take and take. Germany is morbidly obese from the sheer amount of vehicles they have and France simply isn’t - at the core of things the AMX-30 is a French vehicle and isn’t German anyways lmao.

Germany players didn’t decide where the Hunter Mk58 went… nor did anyone who played Germany really want it.

[TPS_Hydra]

buddy, you are barking up the wrong tree. Is anyone of us stoping you from asking for a better hunter?
No buddy is stoping britains from asking for the Hunter FGA MK 9. i am all for its implementation as well

The Swiss Hunter is one of the only few Hunters to be outfitted with countermeasures and that’s where the original issue rests, the FGA.9 won’t be solving anything whatsoever - furthermore no British Hawker Hunter was ever outfitted with countermeasures.

somebody is ignoring that german exists longer in the game in ground as france

The AMX-30 S and the Leopard A1A1 (L/44) was counterparts to one another and were introduced into the game at a similar time, the duration that Germany has been a TT in War Thunder is entirely irrelevant to this conversation and therefor off-topic.

amx-30 yes, but the amx 30 super is german, germany heavily modified the vehicle. Even war thunder itself says so.
You saying the amx 30 super is not german, is the same as saying the T-84 Oplot is not ukrainian but russian

The T-84 has a entirely differently designed turret and has different composite makeup, its vastly different from the AMX-30 S and how that vehicle itself received upgrades.

Furthermore, the only parts of the AMX-30 Super which are actually German is the engine, transmission and FCS - other than that everything else is French - keep coping, Germany as a nation continues to be spoon fed, they simply don’t need a AMX-30 S in its TT.

doesnt matter that its a dominion, its still not a subtree and UK strictly speaken has no right to the vehicle and they still got it

You do realise that the UK monarch was the head of state for Canada? Additionally, being a dominions does mean quite a lot since Canada was quite literally still apart of the British Empire at the time hence why it went to Britain - anything more you want to deny?

Additionally, Canada was still linked to the UK constitutionally during WW2 as well

and that should be changed easy as that fair implementations at the same time should be the way forward. Just as UK should get rafale

The UK shouldn’t get the Rafale lmao, stop projecting your silly ideas onto other TTs just because you want the AMX-30 S.

So France didnt need the DF105 either, and you are looking for excuses? We arent complaining that france got it before germany or not at the same time.
We are asking for it to be implemented to germany in the future

France only has two TT vehicles which sit at 8.0 and only one when excluding the DF105 - on the contrast however Germany has five TT vehicles which sit at 9.3 and that’s excluding the “possible” addition of the AMX-30 S and six when including it.

France desperately needed the DF105 more than Germany needs the AMX-30 S, and that’s not mentioning how overpowered 9.3 Germany is.

@Godvana

Germany players didn’t decide where the Hunter Mk58 went… nor did anyone who played Germany really want it

This is irrelevant, you guys already have the South African Class 3 (P) and the Swiss Hunter, you don’t need another French vehicle on top of this, the AMX-30 S simply isn’t German as nearly every single inch of the vehicle has French origins.

Arguing with ignorant German mains is like arguing to a brick wall, not all of them of course

[Jεcka]

Thread about the AMX 30 S
Immediately gets whataboutism’d by “muh Hunter F.58” argument (how come a Britmain is the one coping the most here?)

Classic

[TPS_Hydra]

I’ve only sent three messages here and I’m mainly a Chinese main, not really a British one lmao.

[Jεcka]

Cool. It’s not matter of “needing” tho. The specific variant was created by Germany so they’ve a claim to it (simple, right?), you can cry all ya want about how they don’t need it tho, you’ll just be arguing a point nobody else brought up then.

Furthermore, the only parts of the AMX-30 Super which are actually German is the engine, transmission and FCS - other than that everything else is French

And new air filtration system, cooling, new electrical generation systems. The tracks were also replaced with German ones, they added a proper stabilisation system, the hyrdraulic turret control system was replaced by a German electric one. The only things French that still remained were the steel carcas of the vehicle, and the cannon.

Ye, just engine, FCS, and transmission… me when I lie.

Also pot calling kettle black lmao.

[Beeschurger]

@TPS_Hydra

nearly every single inch of the vehicle has French origins.

Stupid point, Leo2s all have german origins, yet france already has three and its getting fourth one.

[dotSHINI]

@TPS_Hydra

The Swiss Hunter is one of the only few Hunters to be outfitted with countermeasures and that’s where the original issue rests, the FGA.9 won’t be solving anything whatsoever - furthermore no British Hawker Hunter was ever outfitted with countermeasures.

then search for options US F5 got random countermeasure upgrades as well didnt they?
You are only using this for excuses

@TPS_Hydra

The AMX-30 S and the Leopard A1A1 (L/44) was counterparts to one another and were introduced into the game at a similar time, the duration that Germany has been a TT in War Thunder is entirely irrelevant to this conversation and therefor off-topic.

@dotSHINI

We are asking for it to be implemented to germany in the future. The A1A1 L/44 doesnt matter here.
Doesnt need to be a premium, could be tech tree, squadron or event for all we care

You are the one stating it as a reason, i said it didnt matter. The A1A1 doesnt forbid the implementation
You are the one searching for excuses here

@TPS_Hydra

The T-84 has a entirely differently designed turret and has different composite makeup, its vastly different from the AMX-30 S and how that vehicle itself received upgrades.

Furthermore, the only parts of the AMX-30 Super which are actually German is the engine, transmission and FCS - other than that everything else is French - keep coping, Germany as a nation continues to be spoon fed, they simply don’t need a AMX-30 S in its TT.

thats again searching for excuses, where does one draw the line? It was modified by germans and is another vehicle, it is a german vehicle. It stands being the same situation as the T-84 Oplot. The degree is different but same situation. By its nature the T-80 only is a modification as well.

@TPS_Hydra

You do realise that the UK monarch was the head of state for Canada? Additionally, being a dominions does mean quite a lot since Canada was quite literally still apart of the British Empire at the time hence why it went to Britain - anything more you want to deny?

Additionally, Canada was still linked to the UK constitutionally during WW2 as well

and still doesnt matter, i can give you multiple quotes of Smin stating canada is not a subtree

@TPS_Hydra

The UK shouldn’t get the Rafale lmao, stop projecting your silly ideas onto other TTs just because you want the AMX-30 S.

Why? India is an official subtree of UK, of course they should be able to get access to all indian vehicles.
I only support nation and their subtrees. India is an officaly implemented nation in the game with a home and players should be able to play those line ups.
In the same nature UK received Gripens and France F-16s. Are you calling to get those removed as well?

@TPS_Hydra

France only has two TT vehicles which sit at 8.0 and only one when excluding the DF105 - on the contrast however Germany has five TT vehicles which sit at 9.3 and that’s excluding the “possible” addition of the AMX-30 S and six when including it.

France desperately needed the DF105 more than Germany needs the AMX-30 S, and that’s not mentioning how overpowered 9.3 Germany is.

Line ups dont have much meaning. BRs are formable and the 0.3 br steps dont matter.
Show me germanys 7.3 BR line up for the wiesel or germanys 10.0 line up.

If you feel like every br step needs a complete br line up thats just completle entitlement

@TPS_Hydra

This is irrelevant, you guys already have the South African Class 3 (P)

yes the german developed and engineered vehicle, that was added before SA was a thing. Many UK players have those asked for the alternative variant with the olefant turret if i remember it right. Since that alternative exists.

@TPS_Hydra

French vehicle on top of this, the AMX-30 S simply isn’t German as nearly every single inch of the vehicle has French origins.

@TPS_Hydra

AMX-30 Super which are actually German is the engine, transmission and FCS -

In your own words its not entirely french. Besides that

you forgot a few things. Like armor kits, road wheels, gunner thermal, cooling system and so on.

@TPS_Hydra

Arguing with ignorant German mains is like arguing to a brick wall, not all of them of course

you are arguing that a german vehicle isnt german what you expect?

[dotSHINI]

@TPS_Hydra

secondly Germany simply doesn’t need the AMX-30 S.

and france didnt need the DF105, strictly speaken.
Its not about needs, but because the vehicles belong into their nation.

France asked for it cause of the turret, not cause they need it. They just wanted a vehicle that showed of their french technology , just like we are asking for the AMX 30 Super.

Its funny how you are arguing when gajin themself in the description writes its german developed

[DiamondCraftLP]

@TPS_Hydra

furthermore no British Hawker Hunter was ever outfitted with countermeasures

surely one of your colonies had a Hunter with countermeasures…
Or has the empire fallen that far

Edit: Oh my look at that 1 min search on this forum and tadaaa, see what I found:

Spoiler

Hawker Hunter (OMAN): The Desert Hunter

[Armen_Lozone]

@TPS_Hydra

South African Class 3 (P)

its german. its AKA the TH800. made by thyssen henschel. a german company

[FlyingOstridge]

For a South African competition. After South African vehicles were added to the British tree. And don’t argue manufacturers since the Hawker Hunter is in the German tree.

[dotSHINI]

@FlyingOstridge

After South African vehicles were added to the British tree

And before it was declared a sub tree get the facts straight.

Sadly event vehicles have special rules and gajin doesnt wanna implement event vehicles into other trees cause they lose “value”.

@FlyingOstridge

And don’t argue manufacturers since the Hawker Hunter is in the German tree.

@dotSHINI

buddy, you are barking up the wrong tree. Is anyone of us stoping you from asking for a better hunter?
No buddy is stoping britains from asking for the Hunter FGA MK 9. i am all for its implementation as well

@DiamondCraftLP

surely one of your colonies had a Hunter with countermeasures…
Or has the empire fallen that far

Edit: Oh my look at that 1 min search on this forum and tadaaa, see what I found:

Spoiler

Hawker Hunter (OMAN): The Desert Hunter

germany has no fault here either

[Armen_Lozone]

@FlyingOstridge

For a South African competition.

irrelevant when talking about a justified link.

@FlyingOstridge

After South African vehicles were added to the British tree

technically wasnt a subtree.

@FlyingOstridge

And don’t argue manufacturers since the Hawker Hunter is in the German tree.

different issue.
Gaijin seems to be pushing the swiss as a german subtree. and subtree trumps manufacturer currently in WT.
its a swiss aircraft. not a british one.

[StormRyder13]

@dotSHINI

UK strictly speaken has no right to the vehicle and they still got it

Hahaha, wrong.

The UK is one of 3 operators nations of the Ram II (Canada, UK, Netherlands). So saying they have no claim is just painting you in a worse light.

Loaned Ram II Tanks

poll British Lent RAM II Tanks [ct000.jpg] I cannot find any photos of the few chassis’ of the RAM II tank that the United Kingdom used. Today I am bringing you a Canadian special but I do not mean Maple Syrup or Poutine (Fries with Gravy and Cheese Curds [It’s good trust me]), but I have today with me the Ram II tank but not for Canada for Britain. During the war Canada loaned out a hand full of their Ram II tank’s to British Forces. I am not including any tanks listed as Struck Off Strength …

Among how everything else about it was built to British doctrine.

And on the Skink, the UK had tested the Skink, well the US has rejected the Skink before even testing it only at most watching Canadian show it if.

So it’s the US with nothing to do with these vehicles, M4A5 a paper name that was changed for recording purposes for the ones the US tested which is not the model in game & an SPAA they didn’t even consider…

[dotSHINI]

In that case Uk should have gotten british flagged versions of the vehicles easy as that.
They had no grounds to implement the canadian flagged ones in that case. And the result of that is that Uk still had no right to canadian vehicles, if they used them, themself. Its not that hard.
That being said generaly trialed vehicles only are highly debated and if those should count in the first place.

@StormRyder13

So saying they have no claim is just painting you in a worse light.

not realy, i just couldnt care less after your guys X time to cry for canada in the british tech tree and it getting denied and denied every time.

[TPS_Hydra]

then search for options US F5 got random countermeasure upgrades as well didnt they?
You are only using this for excuses

I’ve argued against the addition of countermeasures on the F-5C nearly in every topic discussing it, I’m strongly against the ahistorical features the YaK-41M and favour more historical loadouts for vehicles, don’t use this false fallacy against me lol.

You are the one stating it as a reason, i said it didnt matter. The A1A1 doesnt forbid the implementation
You are the one searching for excuses here

You’re yet to make a valid enough argument for the AMX-30 S to be introduced into the German TT, your argument is quite literally the definition of cope - you want it because 5% of the parts are German lmao.

If I’m Indian and put a German hat on myself, does that make me ethnically German all of a sudden?

thats again searching for excuses, where does one draw the line? It was modified by germans and is another vehicle, it is a german vehicle. It stands being the same situation as the T-84 Oplot. The degree is different but same situation. By its nature the T-80 only is a modification as well

The difference between the T-84 and the AMX-30 Super is vastly different and shouldn’t be compared to one another, the T-84 is equipped with the KBA3 tank gun, uses a domestically produced turret design, the hull and EVERY single part of the vehicle is manufactured in Ukraine and operates a semi-indigenous FCS.

The AMX-30 S on the other hand is a already existing French AMX-30B which received upgrades from the German, the core of the vehicle itself and a ton of the sub-systems remain French nonetheless.

The main upgrades for the AMX-30 S was the engine, transmission and FCS (thermals are included in the FCS), other than that it remains French - the AMX-30 S furthermore was developed from the already established AMX-30B which itself is a French manufactured, upgraded and designed vehicle.

and still doesnt matter, i can give you multiple quotes of Smin stating canada is not a subtree

That isn’t a consideration when Canada isn’t a sub-TT of any nation in-game, they place Canadian vehicles where its needed and hence why both the US and UK received the Ram II - the UK operated the Ram II anyways so cry me a river.

Why? India is an official subtree of UK, of course they should be able to get access to all indian vehicles.
I only support nation and their subtrees. India is an officaly implemented nation in the game with a home and players should be able to play those line ups.
In the same nature UK received Gripens and France F-16s. Are you calling to get those removed as well

That doesn’t mean the UK should receive the Rafale, the UK doesn’t need it as the entire point of sub-TTs is for them to fill in missing gaps in an already established TT like the UK. Giving the UK TT the Rafale basically makes high tier France pointless lmao (and this is coming from a irl Brit).

Line ups dont have much meaning. BRs are formable and the 0.3 br steps dont matter

LOL, LMAO even!

Gaijin LITERALLY just made a disclosure on why they don’t want to introduce a prototype Leclerc as a premium and their reasoning is that it wouldn’t have a lineup so you’re entirely wrong, lineups ARE indeed considered when introducing vehicles.

@magazine2

However this vehicle would have no lineup of its own

you forgot a few things. Like armor kits, road wheels, gunner thermal, cooling system and so on

Don’t forget about the tracks! You’re listing incredibly minor and nuance additions which doesn’t take away from the origins of the AMX-30 S, it still remains French lmao.

[Jεcka]

Bro is just looking for excuses lmao.

Wait, you’re the guy who said Merk Mk.III can stop 3BM-60, lmaoooo.