indian woman, moved to germany. never left germany afterwards. its pretty much exactly as i said.
AMX 30 Super has the french origins , nobody is declining that, but it is german afterwards a lot has been changed.
and the tracks, and cooler and additional armor and so on.
A lot has been changed over it. Again its where does one draw the line.
With the same argument you are calling the ukrainian T-84 oplot russian.
its wiki, its not up to date. Germany started the project for a leo 2ax with possible 130mm cannon now.
But thats years in the future and right now not relevant since we wont see it for years.
weird event vehicle rule.
fully agree, but difference. Chally 130, Designed and built/modified in germany, tested there as well. Never leaved germany. Built to show of the 130mm capability and function to GERMANY in the competition against the french Ascalon. This is officialy stated by rheinmetall.
Chally 3 is designed specialy for the UK, being built there, and gonna be in service. Huge difference.
they allowed it yes, but there werent part of it. They had no hands on it and makes BAE in that sense ignorable. But we still say it should go to UK as well, cause its a vehicle not inservice anywhere and its origin is in UK.
can always happen
officialy statement how to handle it in the future would be best yes
But just like we are waiting for the damn KLH 38MT answer
Suppose but its whole purpose was to go back to france, not remain where it did.
Additional armour? where :o
Genuinely for as much as ive read about the 30 super id like to know more on it as I dont know specifically all that has changed, like I said.
Suppose thats the same as folks that call a T90A /M a T72 xD
Nah I get your point man, im just discussing it as its quite an interesting vehicle, reckon if it was TT in the french tree it would already ahve been moved over to Germany.
Actually the wiki I think is moderately up to date, as it says they only disclosed in 2015 that they were developing the cannon, then ofc what 4/5 years ago that test bed CR2 showed up.
But yeah agreed its not likely to show up on the 2AX (is that mad leopard Leclerc combo still on the cards?)
Shambolic!! move it!! to them both.
Nah I get that TBH
As well as that its mostly BEA and such working on it rather than as you stated the 130 was basically a CR2 hull with rheimental going crazy with it.
(looks cool af)
Yeah dug a bit more into it and cant argue the point at all.
Yeah I realised that the bit more I went into it.
I mean they looked over 2 Chieftain Mk2s then it got binned.
100 percent man its such a joke how they are doing it RN
we have reasurance from credible source 38MT has a 1000km range sorta answer is coming xD
but france declined it, they literaly said they dont want it.
With the same argument why should it be in france when they clearly didnt want it?
is named in the wiki
“Additional turret armour is also available per buyer request.” if that one is not implemented it, there we would have the case. Give germany the better armored version
EMBT still is a thing, but they only are tech demonstrators realy, nevery realy supposed for actual service
Yeah fair point xD remove it from the game no one wanted it.
Seems a bit bogus there though doesn’t it, if they should be added equally not one better than the other.
The other aspect is balancing it, as remember germany is a far larger player base so has more worse players statistically speaking. so it may affect how the 30S is Br’d
why not buff its armour on the french and then make them both equal?
Aye I suppose so, the Euro MBt would be cool though
that argument is mostly for the anti copy paste specialists.
tell that the 2s38, vidar , pzh2k and so on. As long as it makes money gajin doesnt mind
that argument is mostly for the anti copy paste specialists.
Answered above
definitly and should be added to both france and germany.
Honestly its not germanys fault we have such a big ground industry, we shouldnt be punished for it.
In the meantime lookat air we are dead in the water
Germany can have this one, and France can have the other stabilized upgraded AMX-30s that are out there, maybe even the other 32s. The title of ‘pErFecTeD by GerMaNy’ is worthy of an actual curb stomping, however
Thank you, I just want nations to get what they made, and this is basically a German tank in a French exoskeleton
It’s the same as how people want GIAT-upgraded Russian tanks to go to France, the nation that did the work gets the reward imo
Eh at the end of the day this either has to be all or nothing.
The issue I think for most is the pick n choose.
Exactly my point, imagine the 2s38 was an event vehicle, its Br would be 11.0 by now. the vidar too.
they have skewed stats cause bad players buy them then do bad.
yeah Seen that :D
cant fault an industry for existing, think folks get more pissed off by the attitude of some of the german mains on here though.
Honestly its not germanys fault we have such a big ground industry, we shouldnt be punished for it.
This is true for both sides, too
Whilst selling less individual AFVs than Germany, the industry is large (Granted, it makes money from the smaller systems sold, such as anything Thales makes), but that still leaves the AMX-30C2, a long-requested vehicle, as France’s AMX-30 Super replacement
(Not forgetting 30VE)
i think the 30S should be added to Germany i mean after all France got the SK105 and DF105 just because French parts got used so same logic maybe give germany the addon armor that was planned to make it stand out
Theres enough stuff in germany now man ffs let some stuff remain where it should be.
If it was 4/5 years ago yeah sure.
But wouldn’t you rather see actual german stuff added before taking mix n match crap from other trees?
Im sat here waiting for leopard 1a3, a4 as well as the 2av with the 120mm gun, and a myriad of other tanks.
Edit : they only got thw DF105 last patch. Its been a whole 5 years since it was added 😑 or there abouts.
The Sk105 was abritrarily added to Germany cause it’s austrian 🤣 the only reason its under the Argentinian flag is to give it a different name.
It caused chaos when it was introduced because france at that time was a really fresh tree and was empty af, while germany had i think at least 2 lights at the same br that were considered good.
Edit 2 : as @MademoiselleSXXI says, IF they actually added the amx 30VE or C2 then it wouldn’t be as bad for germany to get the 30s.
But generally i believe the C2 could fire the OFL 105 G2 round so maybe end up higher br.
+engine cooling system, fuelm capacity increase, torsiojn bars, hydraulic schock absorbers, new roadm wheels, new tracks. stabiliser system and new thermal equipment+ available turret armor on request.
publicly displayed, and tested in Saudi Arabia
Ah yes… definitly the same as the few french parts in a T series. you are definitly right.
how can we confuse bought french parts that were planned by russia and isntalled with a major overhaul planned and done by germans