This would be fantastic to have! I agree that the drone jammer should do something in-game, though I’m not quite sure how. +1
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I’m against it. For the simple reason that there’s nothing special in this modernization that would justify introducing and leveling it up as a new vehicle, except for the additional armor.
It would be better to give it as an upgradable and optionally activated module for rank 4 modifications on the existing light tank. But definitely not as a separate vehicle! It’s like grinding out a Pz IV with tracks on a turret as a separate tank!
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My beloved.
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That’s your opinion. I respect it.
But I have to tell you not to forget the EIREL EOPS, the GALIX smoke system instead of the 76mm 1977 smokes, the GEN II thermal camera, the robotization of the gearbox to improve gear shift speed, and electronic suspension management to improve tilt/up-down speed . It’s quite different than adding 4 pieces of track links to the sides of a turret.
You also failed to consider that it’s no longer amphibious and that its front wave-guard have been removed. So, how do we implement the mediocre idea of simply adding the 2017 composite armor as a Rank IV modification to the 1977 in-game version ?
I’d even go so far as to say it’s barely respectful of my work to read something like this.
It’s a bit like going from a Pz.IV-G to a Pz.IV-H; it’s not worth it, really not.
There are far more differences in what I am proposing than between these last two ironically cited models.
Tips: Read the explanations, in addition to looking at the pictures 😉
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All that, and still no stabilizer haha. Cool upgrade though, +1 from me
Okay, let’s think about what aspects here would actually bring gameplay mechanic-level differences within this game.
Sights/scopes and gearboxes are immediately out. They don’t add anything new from a gameplay mechanics perspective. Removing the wave-guard ? Not funny. Active suspension? It doesn’t add anything new from a gameplay perspective. Because it won’t differ from what’s already in the game in any meaningful way. Within the game mechanics.
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Imo I honestly don’t see the issue, we have dozen of planes, tanks and naval units that have little differences to another version that still impacts gameplay.
Squadron or folder is fine
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I’m totally in favor, especially if it has the active IR searchlight.
PS: It would also be interesting if they added an unlockable module to the AMX-10RC to transform it into the Gulf War version, which has less armor than the one suggested, but does have the IR searchlight.
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Yes, you’re right ! We should make a suggestion in the modifications & loadouts section for the 1977 AMX-10RC to add the armor from Operation Daguet 1991.
What do you mean by “the active IR searchlight”? Are you referring to the EOPS EIREL?
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Yes, exactly. The model used in Operation Daguet also used that IR spotlight.
Speaking of Operation Daguet, it would also be interesting if they added the AMX-30B2 that was used there.
I don’t think playing games has anything to do with making suggestions for adding new vehicles or new mechanics. A player with 100 games might have infinitely better suggestions than someone who’s played the game 40,000 times.
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We need to do some more research on the vehicles that participated in the operation, because I’m not entirely sure it was the EIREL, but rather a previous system. Do you have any specific sources we could take a look at?
For the AMX-30B2; it will require us to create a completely new suggestion. We also need to consider whether it’s worth proposing a vehicle, because if it’s just the added side skirts, it would be better suited to the Modifications & Loadouts section.
I completely agree with you on that! Some people spend thousands of hours playing. Others work during that time, sometimes in industry, development, technical fields, or have simply served their country with the vehicles in question, and therefore inevitably have a sharper perspective on many things than the arcade mindset of the pro gamer. But hey, some people just don’t like being contradicted, it’s human nature, that’s just how it is…
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Well, I’m not sure if it’s the same model or an earlier version. I suppose it’s an earlier version, since in the images it appears to be a rectangular and smaller spotlight.
Regarding the AMX-30, the difference is minimal. The only visible differences are that the ones used in Operation Dreguet had side skirts, smoke grenade launchers like those on the Brenus, and that the commander has a TV sight mounted in front of the loader’s hatch. Another huge difference compared to the standard AMX-30B2 would be that, being a 1991 model, it would have access to OFL 105 G2 or G3 ammunition. But, well, foreigners don’t usually equip tanks with the historical ammunition they used.
With more than 3000 battles in the AMX-10 RC, i would gladly do another 3000 batlles with the upgraded version at 8.7.
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I did some research with acquaintances who served on the AMX-10RC in 1991, just before I was born. It turns out it was indeed the first version of the EIREL, manufactured by CSEE (Paris region, France).
The version we have in the game on the AMX-30B2 Brennus and VBCI, which is identical to the one installed on the AMX-10RCR, is an improvement on this first version, a sort of EIREL 2.0 that kept the name of its predecessor.
So it’s not necessarily worth it, well personally I wouldn’t spend the considerable time creating a suggestion for that, you know…
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Yes, the differences wouldn’t really be significant, unless the developers had a change of heart and decided to use the ammunition they actually used. The AMX-30B2 would still use OFL 105 F1 ammunition, while the Gulf War AMX-30B2 would already be using OFL 105 G2 or G3, which would give it a substantial increase in penetration. Another thing is the commander’s TV sight, which I’m not sure could be thermal. If it were, the Gulf War AMX-30B2 would have separate thermal sights for the gunner and commander.
Anyway, adding the Gulf War model as a premium wouldn’t seem bad to me.
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I mean isn’t the Challenger dessert storm just a Challenger MK3 that can’t equip ERA? I think it should be fine as a premium (though I wouldn’t mind more squadron/folder vehicles)
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That Challenger is like that because the developers used the Challengers Mk3 as a reference before the ground deployment during the war, since when they entered combat they all had the modifications with ERA.
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This vehicle is one of my favorite land combat weapons, so I really want to see it!
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Suggestion passed to the developers for consideration.