Amx-10 rcr separ

NICORCC · November 2, 2025, 7:49am

Ladies and gentlemen hello !

Today I will suggest a tank that we already know well in the game but in a different enough version to deserve to be implemented in my opinion.

The Giat Industries/Nexter AMX-10 RCR with the SEPAR rank IV protection modifications up-armor kit.

"SystèmE de Protection EEI (SEPAR) * "

The AMX-10RCR is an upgraded version of the standard AMX-10RC 6x6 armored reconnaissance and anti-tank vehicle. The AMX-10RCR is developed in the three traditional key areas of: Protection / survivability, mobility and firepower, as well as the less useful in game combat management digitalization.
The SEPAR kit is a set of composite armor on the sides and underside of the hull, which entered service in 2017.

History

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In the early 1960s, the Army General Staff considered replacing the armored reconnaissance vehicle (EBR), which had been in service with the French Army for about ten years.
Beginning in 1970, a program aimed at developing an amphibious armored vehicle with a weight range of 10 to 15 tons emerged, and the AMX-APX (later Giat) began development of the AMX-10 P, a tracked light armored vehicle intended to replace the AMX-13 VCI. The then director general of the AMX-APX had the idea of designing a wheeled version of the AMX-10P equipped with a cannon. This six-wheel drive version would be called the AMX-10 RC (RC for “Roue Canon” in french, wheel and cannon in english). Three prototypes would be built. The French Army placed an initial order for 190 vehicles with GIAT in 1977, with deliveries lasting from 1977 to 1986, for a total of 350 vehicles.
The AMX-10 RC is equipped with a hydropneumatic suspension allowing the driver to adjust the ground clearance. This can vary from 21 to 60 cm, depending on the terrain.
The suspension also allows the vehicle to be tilted forward, backward, or sideways, depending on tactical needs. The vehicle lacks steering wheels, but uses skid steering, which operates similarly to a tracked vehicle.
Originally, the vehicles were powered by a Renault HS 115 diesel engine, developing 260 hp. However, the final production batches received a more powerful Baudouin model 6F 11 SRX engine developing 280 hp. By 1995, all previous vehicles had been equipped with this engine.
The vehicle could reach 80 km/h on the road and 65 km/h off-road, both forward and reverse, with a range of 800 km. The transmission had four forward and four reverse gears. The vehicle was also amphibious, propelled by two waterjets up to a speed of 7.2 km/h. A trim vane had to be raised before entering the water. The vehicle was air-transportable.
The vehicle’s base armor was made of welded 7020 aluminum alloy, and the armor was designed to protect against artillery projectiles fragments & medium-caliber weapons, namely most 20- to 30-mm automatic cannons.(the data in game for this are wrong and largely underestimated !!)
The crew consisted of four men. The driver sat in the hull on the left side. He could use a hatch and three periscopes. The commander sat at the right rear of the turret, with a hatch above his head. It has six periscopes and an M398 swiveling sight. The tank commander can take control of the gunner and rotate the turret or aim the gun. The gunner sits at the front right of the turret. He also has three periscopes and a day sight with thermal imager, plus a laser rangefinder. The loader, meanwhile, sits or stands in the middle left of the turret and has a hatch and three periscopes. He is responsible for operating the AN-F1 machine gun on the vehicle’s roof, and has 16 main gun shells ready for rapid loading within easy reach.
The vehicle’s main gun is a 105mm F2 medium-pressure cannon, specially designed for light vehicles. This gun can fire high-explosive, anti-tank, armor-piercing fin-stabilized sabot, and smoke shells.

In 1994, the French Army decided to modernize its fleet of AMX-10 RC vehicles. The planned upgrade included a new turret and gun, armor plating, and some electronic modifications and upgrades. However, due to budgetary constraints, this upgrade was not approved.
The AMX-10 RC upgrade problem was finally resolved in 2000, when a contract was signed with Nexter Systems to upgrade 256 vehicles to a new standard. The upgraded AMX-10 RCR (the last R stands for “Renovated”) was expected to remain in service until 2020-2025, when it was replaced by the new Jaguar EBRC. RCR Deliveries began in 2005.
Then developed by Nexter (formerly GIAT Industries), and entering service in 2017, the AMX 10 RCR SEPAR is a direct evolution of the AMX 10 RCR with the addition of composite armor protection on the hull sides and underside, and an electronic devices jamming system.

AMX-10RCR Features

(In green bold those that differ from the already in game 1977 AMX-10RC)

Object	Description
Engine	Baudouin GF-11SX diesel, 280 ch
Transmission	GIAT ARE 4AD60. 4 fw/3 rv. Robotization of the gearbox, with removal of 4th reverse gear, limiting the speed to 50kmh in reverse. 85kph forward.
Amphibious mobility	removed to install batteries in order to increase on-board electrical power
Road range	800 km
Internal fuel capacity	520 litre
Hull length	6.24 m (9.15 m with the barrel)
Hull width	2,78 m
Height	2,56 m
Weight	17 tons
Ammunition	OCC 105 F3 ; OE 105 F3 ; O FUM PH 105 F3 ; OFL 105 F3
Auxiliary armament	7.62mm AN-F1 machine gun under loaders control; coaxial 7.62 AN-F1 machine gun, main gun aiming slaved
Gunner Optics	10x7° SOPELEM M504 sight fitted with a laser rangefinder + Thomson-CSF DIVT-16C gen II (instead of 1990 DIVT-16 1st gen)
Commander Optics	2x38° to 8x9° M389 optical periscope with IR nvd + Acces to take control of the gun
ammunition characteristics
OCC 105 F3	5.7Kg; 1120m/s; HEAT-FS; 350mm RHA 0°
OE 105 F3	7.2Kg; 800m/s; high-explosive fragmentation; 2Kg TNT
O FUM PH 105 F3	7.1Kg; 800m/s; phosphorus smoke shell with incendiary characteristics
OFL 105 F3	3.8Kg; 1400m/s; APFSDS 350mm 60°RHA at 0m (the data in game for this shell are wrong and largely underestimated !!)
SEPAR Specification
Weight	21 tons

RCR In details

A SIT-VI battlefield management system, which allows vehicles to exchange battlefield information with each other and with the command structure. Not useful in game, unless by reducing the delay and increase the accuracy of the artillery barrage.

An infrared missile jammer, the EIREL, was installed on the left front of the turret, jamming missile guidance by 20° horizontally and 10° vertically. Already in the game on the AMX30B2 Brennus and VBCI.

A new, more advanced thermal imaging camera was installed for the gunner, and commander can use it.

The overall protection was reinforced with 10mm very high hardness steel plates side and front of hull and turret. It adds 1 tons to the vehicle.

Integration of 8 Galix smoke launchers, two sets of four launchers at the front of the turret on each side.

Increased electrical power.

Removal of the amphibious propulsion system and the front wave guard.

Electronic management of the hydropneumatic suspension

Modification of the storage spaces in the nape of the turret. including in particular the storage of spare Galix smoke grenades in the box.

Robotization of the gearbox, with removal of 4th gear in reverse, limiting the speed to 50kmh in reverse.

Visible RCR Modifications in pictures

note the absence of the wave shield
In pink, spaced up-armor
In purple, EIREL soft-kill APS
In red, Galix grenade launcher
In blue-grey, turret neck baskets

SEPAR in details

The SEPAR includes all the RCR modernizations with a few extras:

Added Electronics Device jamming system bubble. * This could be used to jam drone spotting ? Let’s say a 50m radius around the vehicle, which could prevent any vehicle within this radius from being spotted by drones, allies or ennemies. This would be an interesting new mechanic, applicable to other vehicles equipped with similar electronics jamming systems.

Addition of a box on the neck of the turret containing the vetronics of the Electronic Device jamming system bubble were added to .

IED self-protection emitters were added to the front of the turret on each side.

The side armor was reinforced with 80mm high-strength composite plate (similar to that found on VBCIs). It’s a pretty heavy addition, about 4 tons

The underbody was reinforced with a blast-absorbing armor plate under the chassis.

Visible SEPAR Modifications in pictures

note the absence of the wave shield
In pink, spaced up-armor
In purple, EIREL soft-kill APS & jammer vetronics
In red, Galix grenade launcher
In blue-grey, turret neck baskets

More pictures:

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RCR:
note the absence of hydrojets.

SEPAR Up armor:

And if the developers want to have fun, they can even add the cage armor. That said, it has never been seen in service.

Conclusion & place in game:

This is an interesting and 100% French vehicle that, in my opinion, deserves to be added to the game.

Indeed, it loses its amphibious capability and some mobility due to the extra 1 to 5 tons with the uparmor or SEPAR kit, but this is partly offset by the automated gearbox. With SEPAR mounted It also significantly improves protection and survivability compared to the 1977 version already in the game. Without the SEPAR mounted, it retains very good mobility with a slight armor advantage over its 1977 counterpart.
It also improves fire control slightly due to the improved gunner’s thermal imaging camera equivalent to that of the SK-105A2 or others gen II. All these changes makes it a vehicle just as balanced as its base version. It would be very interesting to be able to modulate between good protection and good mobility by having the choice of installing or not the SEPAR armor, which would be available as a researchable protection module at level IV. The developers could also, if they wish, explore the new mechanics explained above, which would mean that the vehicle, despite its significant weight gain if we mount the SEPAR kit, would be immune to drone spotting, and can apply this effect to all vehicle within 50m radius, whether they are allies or enemies.

My suggestion would be to put it as a Tier VI 8.7 squadron vehicle, as the light tank line is unfortunately already quite crowded with export vehicles at this tier. Personally, I think it would fit in 8.7, alongside the AMX-30B2s, VAB Mephisto and AMX-30DCA.

Feel free to explain your choice, especially if you click “no”

Would you like to see the AMX-10RCR + SEPAR (rank IV modification):

Yes in regular Tech Tree
Yes as Squadron vehicle
No, and I’ll explain why

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In wich BR ?

8.3
8.7
9.0
I answered No in the previous poll

0 voters

Sources for data and images:

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-AMX-10RCR
AMX-10 RC & RCR - Tank Encyclopedia
AMX-10 RC — Wikipédia
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/YBayY6
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/RYae3m
Véhicule blindé AMX 10 RCR SEPAR : entre efficacité et vulnérabilité au combat
Photoscope AMX 10 SEPAR
https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/h1792a/french_foreign_legion_amx10rcr_separ_in_the_sahel/
http://www.strategic-bureau.com/amx-10rc-char-leger-france/
AMX-10 RCR SEPAR with slat armor | militaryphotoreport.blogs… | Flickr

PlayedStatue626-live · November 2, 2025, 8:58am

+1 pretty neat tank

JamesPond1200-psn · November 2, 2025, 10:38am

This would be fantastic to have! I agree that the drone jammer should do something in-game, though I’m not quite sure how. +1

SkiraatA · November 2, 2025, 10:56am

I’m against it. For the simple reason that there’s nothing special in this modernization that would justify introducing and leveling it up as a new vehicle, except for the additional armor.
It would be better to give it as an upgradable and optionally activated module for rank 4 modifications on the existing light tank. But definitely not as a separate vehicle! It’s like grinding out a Pz IV with tracks on a turret as a separate tank!

MightyBaozi · November 2, 2025, 10:59am

My beloved.

NICORCC · November 2, 2025, 11:37am

That’s your opinion. I respect it.
But I have to tell you not to forget the EIREL EOPS, the GALIX smoke system instead of the 76mm 1977 smokes, the GEN II thermal camera, the robotization of the gearbox to improve gear shift speed, and electronic suspension management to improve tilt/up-down speed . It’s quite different than adding 4 pieces of track links to the sides of a turret.
You also failed to consider that it’s no longer amphibious and that its front wave-guard have been removed. So, how do we implement the mediocre idea of simply adding the 2017 composite armor as a Rank IV modification to the 1977 in-game version ?
I’d even go so far as to say it’s barely respectful of my work to read something like this.

It’s a bit like going from a Pz.IV-G to a Pz.IV-H; it’s not worth it, really not.
There are far more differences in what I am proposing than between these last two ironically cited models.

Tips: Read the explanations, in addition to looking at the pictures 😉

GetGæijined · November 2, 2025, 12:18pm

All that, and still no stabilizer haha. Cool upgrade though, +1 from me

SkiraatA · November 2, 2025, 1:27pm

Okay, let’s think about what aspects here would actually bring gameplay mechanic-level differences within this game.
Sights/scopes and gearboxes are immediately out. They don’t add anything new from a gameplay mechanics perspective. Removing the wave-guard ? Not funny. Active suspension? It doesn’t add anything new from a gameplay perspective. Because it won’t differ from what’s already in the game in any meaningful way. Within the game mechanics.

SkiraatA · November 2, 2025, 1:29pm

Counter advice: Before suggesting anything, play at least 10,000 battles and understand how the mechanics in this game work.

PlayedStatue626-live · November 2, 2025, 2:47pm

Imo I honestly don’t see the issue, we have dozen of planes, tanks and naval units that have little differences to another version that still impacts gameplay.

Squadron or folder is fine

poopooo · November 2, 2025, 4:27pm

I’m totally in favor, especially if it has the active IR searchlight.

PS: It would also be interesting if they added an unlockable module to the AMX-10RC to transform it into the Gulf War version, which has less armor than the one suggested, but does have the IR searchlight.

NICORCC · November 2, 2025, 6:02pm

Yes, you’re right ! We should make a suggestion in the modifications & loadouts section for the 1977 AMX-10RC to add the armor from Operation Daguet 1991.

What do you mean by “the active IR searchlight”? Are you referring to the EOPS EIREL?

Please excuse me, I didn’t realize we needed at least 10,000 battles to suggest anything, O great superior being. Indeed, it takes at least that much to begin to understand anything as clearly as you do. It’s fortunate that there are people like you to help us improve the game constructively. Apologies from all those who are not at that level.
I’ll edit and delete this comment if this degrading stupidity towards thousands of players is removed.

poopooo · November 2, 2025, 6:13pm

Yes, exactly. The model used in Operation Daguet also used that IR spotlight.
Speaking of Operation Daguet, it would also be interesting if they added the AMX-30B2 that was used there.

I don’t think playing games has anything to do with making suggestions for adding new vehicles or new mechanics. A player with 100 games might have infinitely better suggestions than someone who’s played the game 40,000 times.

NICORCC · November 2, 2025, 6:40pm

We need to do some more research on the vehicles that participated in the operation, because I’m not entirely sure it was the EIREL, but rather a previous system. Do you have any specific sources we could take a look at?

For the AMX-30B2; it will require us to create a completely new suggestion. We also need to consider whether it’s worth proposing a vehicle, because if it’s just the added side skirts, it would be better suited to the Modifications & Loadouts section.

I completely agree with you on that! Some people spend thousands of hours playing. Others work during that time, sometimes in industry, development, technical fields, or have simply served their country with the vehicles in question, and therefore inevitably have a sharper perspective on many things than the arcade mindset of the pro gamer. But hey, some people just don’t like being contradicted, it’s human nature, that’s just how it is…

poopooo · November 2, 2025, 7:07pm

Well, I’m not sure if it’s the same model or an earlier version. I suppose it’s an earlier version, since in the images it appears to be a rectangular and smaller spotlight.
Regarding the AMX-30, the difference is minimal. The only visible differences are that the ones used in Operation Dreguet had side skirts, smoke grenade launchers like those on the Brenus, and that the commander has a TV sight mounted in front of the loader’s hatch. Another huge difference compared to the standard AMX-30B2 would be that, being a 1991 model, it would have access to OFL 105 G2 or G3 ammunition. But, well, foreigners don’t usually equip tanks with the historical ammunition they used.

Valehar · November 2, 2025, 9:02pm

With more than 3000 battles in the AMX-10 RC, i would gladly do another 3000 batlles with the upgraded version at 8.7.