I don’t see any reason the JA37D needs AIM-120, everyone claims Viggen is so great all the time and now suddenly it’s not?
Ja37C is great, it has enough CM snd missiles are good for 11.3, however JA37D is an upgraded version of ja37c
Which has way more counter measures, has aim9l and irl rb99s, the problem with the ja37d is its the br where it is, in its br you face aim7ms, aim7fs, r27ers, 530Ds and loads of other good SARH missiles, now viggen is a really heavy plane, doesnt gain speed very well and loses all of its energy in one turn. JA37D has no chances of winning anything in bvr engagements because its only SARH missile is Rb71 (DF) which is basically a Skyflash, skyflashes and rb71s are really bad missiles at 12.0, having a really slow speed and short burn time they are only usable in 2-5km headons, and yet they have a high chance of just failing. JA37D can face planes such as mig29s (G) which have the best SARH and ir missiles in game (r27er and r73), av8b+ which already has an f18s radar, 4 aim120 and 2 9ms, f14s, f16As and shit ton of other planes that will annihilate ja37d
1 Like
Has the best loadout for 12.0… “OMG! Unplayable!”
Mig-23MLD is 11.7, not 11.3, and it doesn’t have AIM-9Ls.
Mig-23MLD is now 11.3 in Sim. So if hes talking about ASB, he’s correct.
He’s also correct in saying that Mig-23MLD has a similar loadout to the Viggen D
Both have 4x All-aspect IR missiles
Both have 2x SARH missile
Both can swap out the SARH option for more IR missiles
1 Like
R-60Ms are no where close to 9L equivalent. Worse maneuverability, range, and flare resist.
The JA-39D also has 2x PD 50km class SARHs vs the Mig-23’s SRC 50km class SARHs.
The only thing Mig-23MLD can do better than a Viggen is out-dogfight a Viggen.
5 Likes
Try shooting both missiles in 12km head on engagement.
RB71 will fail while R-24R will have no issues to hit the target.
Just because statcard states in can be launched at 50km doesnt mean it can reach those ranges because if we look at statcards only Aim-7M also has same range on paper.
Does Skyflash and Aim-7M have same practical range? Ofc not.
4 Likes
Yep, Only time FGR2/Viggen D holds a “meaningful” advantage over the Mig-23MLD in BVR combat is if the engagement is occuring at like 5000+ ft. Where Skyflash DF will probably win at 10-12km, but at low altitudes like 300ft, or when within 8km at any alt. My money is on the R-24R
and yeah, I’ve had a fair degree of inconsistancy with the Skyflash DFs of late. Some shots I’ll go “Yeah, okay that was because of this” and then others they straight up… miss.
Had a zomber flying straight and level, no CMs dropped, well within range according to my radar, Skyflash DF just… never hit the target. CBA to go back and look on replay where it went, but I really need to at some point if it happens again, might be enough for a bug report
1 Like
Im having similiar issues with my JAS39A.
Ever since multipath reduced to 60meters im using my Gripen A to bully those Pesky Tomcat players, sometimes my skyflash just doesnt hit or goes to blank space for no reason.
Usually it gives me solid success ratio tho and man killing those Tomcat players who abuses Fakour-90 never felt so good.
It has r60ms which are basically the Russian equivalent of a 9l and I thought the mig 23ml was 11.3 still but ig they recently moved it up in br
Yeah my mistake on the br ig they moved it up to 11.7 but yeah the loadouts are very similar except for the CM count yet there at different brs.
R60m is basically the Russian 9l equivalent.
Yeah, 9Ls are slightly better than R-60Ms as they have the better range (though the Mig-23MLD being crazy fast mitigates that issue greatly), and Viggen D does have the better radar as well. But yeah, there isnt much in it, as the Mig-23MLD has its own advantages like being faster, having better SARH and I think is still better in a turn fight.
As both have LCMs, a 1v1 would almost always come down to a gunfight
Yeah the rb71 will have a max range of like 5km if you’re lucky it doesn’t just randomly explode or lose tracking for no reason.
Jousting isn’t doctrine, and is a dumb test that gives no useful data.
Skyflash vs gen 4 jets BTW:
So, unless someone shows me a video of their Skyflash failing, I have zero experience of failed Skyflash hits. I however have seen dozens of R-24Rs fail against me.
@JUICYTITAN1011
R-60Ms are equivalent to AIM-9J/Gs. They’re no where close to 9Ls in performance.
There’s a reason even standard R-60s are lower BR than 9Js, and it’s not cause of bias.
Forgot I had that clip (before the new replay features were added, so no one had a solid theory on why it missed as you couldnt go inspect it, best was maybe the target was out of view of the seeker, but it did clearly start turning towrads the target)
Yeah the 9ls are very slightly better. The thing with the radar though is that you can’t really use it to its full extent well because of the rb71 being garbage. The viggen does pull way more then the mig23 and has a better top speed but it is a bit slower to get up to speed.
Are 60ms are all aspect aim9j/g is not.
They’re perpendicular, no lead, potentially too close [I haven’t made shots that close in years personally].
Would’ve been better to run an IR missile intercept in that situation as you had rear cone control.
Probably the case due to the required wait time of Skyflash.
Correct. Specifically they’re the AIM-9Bs of all-aspect missiles, and are effectively a standard R-60 with more consistent maneuverability [unless they changed standard R-60s].
Wasnt within min range. You can clearly see that on the radar. Wouldnt have fired otherwise.
Lead was the best I could achieve, mis-judged the direction he was traveling, but I’ve scored hits like that many times, so shouldnt have been a problem. Wasnt exactly massively off bore-sight
Was bingo fuel and FGR2 wasn’t beating a Mig-21 in a turn fight to use an Aim-9G. So just RTB instead.
3 Likes