Max effective range on Pantsir is well past that (like 12-14km from my experience playing it). It’s just the majority of your engagements will be in that 8-9 range since you are honestly better off trying pop up tactics closer in so the Pantsir has less time to try and shoot down your missile.
I would also say 5-6 for the base 2S6 with the upgraded one being like 6-7
I don’t feel so, it’s like in 8km. it can pull with it’s full mobility, 8-12, about a half, mobilizable but not much, for it’s low air resistance. VT1 is much better in 8km and closer range, but after 8km, it lose mobility quickly.
it seems your standard of mobility is different. mine is more strict.
btw, 9m311 is just same as 9m311m1, m1 just has longer max range
VT1 is better inside like 4km above that I’m going with the Pantsir.
Hm odd I seem to hit people more consistent with it at slightly farther ranges. Interesting though u did not know that.
Agree to disagree?
SPYDER-AIO my beloved
(I think this would be blatantly op, say for its terrible missile count and massive size)
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Was just going by the data in the suggestion. Lists 15km range for standard 40km for the upgraded version.
But might have misread
Yep. so can just about take out a Ka-52 sat at its absolute max range, but stands no chance in shooting down a Su-25SM3
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I mean pantsir
I checked the missile sheet, they are same, except max range.
anyway, everyone have their own feeling and standard, that’s why I usually turn to the form.
we better go back to SL-AMRAAM
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Still a different missile dude operating in a completely different way I mean hell ones IR and the other uses an active transmit-receive radar guidance system.
Heck the ADATS has a 10km range, 10 not any further the Type 81C has a better missile given its fire and forget and the radar doesn’t freak out and lose tracking randomly for no reason. The KA-52 has a 10km range missile and can reliably reload in safety most the time not to mention the other helis, even the SU25SM3 has a 20km guided bomb, hell the F-16c has a guided bomb that does the same 20km range but the Pantsir has a 20km range.
Yes the ADATS can kill both tanks, and some air, but again 10km isn’t cutting it. Because you get any competent CAS that isn’t going against a Pantsir they will sit at that 20km range snipe some missiles re-arm i see it every game.
Not to mention not only USA would benefit from this Sweden Japan Germany great Britain all would benefit since every nation has a system similar to this.
The MIM-72G is not a AIM-9X. I don’t know who told you that but the were smoking some good green when they did.
It’s only 150 in the beginning of the game. As soon as you die it is now more than that. I’m pretty sure it’s 300-350 by end game.
ok but you don’t compare sp like that, and no its still pretty low it doesnt raise that high
So what’s it cost to spawn a pantsir at the end of the game? Which is when most people start using SPAA, and sort of one of the main points of the discussion. And it may not go that high, but it’s not as low as you’re trying to say either.
spaa rarely goes over 200-250sp even after many spawns.
also SPAA top tier are like 90sp
I know, that was sorta the point. Late game if you’ve had a shit game and low on SP from CAS spawn camping then US players are essentially out from spawning SPAA. I have to keep my LAV out just to have any option. Bring my 10.0 to 11.7 because I have no other options and does nothing unlike strela.
The missiles would be good but the quantity would not be good.
Strella is overrated at top tier. Its good for its BR but cant do anything against helis at 8km away or any aircraft that has mavericks.
Not ADATS as its classed as a TD.