Hi everyone, haven’t you noticed that some countries have absurdly high munitions, especially the USSR and the United States?
Well, I have perfect ammunition to match in terms of penetration
Leopard 2A4 and strv 121:
DM33/slpprj 95/Pz 87 WE
CV90120-T
DM53
For the Swedish vehicle, the Slpprj/95 should be tier 1 in the stock grind while the DM53 should be tier 4, because 410 or 420 penetration is almost useless in 12.0
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I believe general consensus is this would result in higher BR.
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Probably yea but we will also see how the Arjun performs considering it has similar hull, much better turret, Gen 2 thermals and 460mm pen round
Probably depends on the reload, the type 90 is basically an autoloaded L2A4 with DM-33, little weaker on the hull and turret sides, but no gunner optic weak spot and stronger gun shield.
Type-90’s frontal hull and turret armor is actually better than 2A4 in most areas iirc.
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Is it? it’s thinner on the hull and about the same on the turret so it must have better composites in its NERA I’ll have to check it.
It is universally better except the turret side because that doesn’t have composite
Type 90s frontal armor is significantly thicker in every place but the turret ring and LFP.
Yeah, it’s got the same thing as the M1A1s and the M1A2 where it shows the same compisite thickness on x-ray so you need to actually compare them with an APFSDS in the armour pen to see the difference, there isn’t much difference in the turret only ~30mm (aside from the gunner optic obviously), but the hull is rather rather surprising with up to ~150mm extra protection.
But yes I will have to remember to check the actual protection that arrays provide rather then just looking at their thickness in the future.
40mm … Front under… Plate? My English is very bad, i’m sorry
40mm lower frontal part (I got to the translator. Uhu!!!)
Type 90 is slightly better protected, but it survives worse.
Also, the Japanese tank has worse aiming (30 vs. 40 and 10 vs… 40? 30?)
It should be 11.0–11.3 at most.
yes, sorry I was speaking of the upper front plate only, the LFP is far weaker on the Type 90 vs the L2A4, it will not even stop auto cannons.
yep that too. there is also the optics on the Type 90, they are very difficult to use at close ranges due to their minimum zoom being 8.8x
The issue is most maps force CQC where high magnification optics and slower gun handling are a serious issue
defiantly not 11.0, and I’m more inclined to say that other 11.7s and 12.0s need to go up more then the Type 90 needs to go down, the IPM1 should not be a lower BR or the M1A1 the same BR, but thats what happens when Gaijin uses player stats to balance
mmm…
Maybe if the Leopard had the DM33 shell, the Type 90 could easily be placed at 11.0.
The IPM1 and M1A1 are superior or equal to the Type 90—except for reload speed—so it seems perfectly logical to place them 0.3 BR higher than the Japanese tank.
Ultimately, the Type 90 definitely belongs at 11.3—don’t you agree?
Type 90 belongs where it is right now. 12.0 Abrams should be 12.7, M1A1 should be 12.0, and IPM1 should be 11.7.
Type 90 at 11.3 was very oppressive against 10.7s, it rolled them.
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The problem was the compressed Battle Rating spread, which meant the Type 90 was almost constantly placed at the top of the matchmaking list. Practically any vehicle would perform excellently under those conditions. Besides, it’s silly to complain that 10.3–10.7 vehicles suffer against an 11.3 vehicle—since it has a higher BR, it is inherently superior.
I judge the Type 90 purely based on its technical specifications, disregarding player skill; in terms of specs, it isn’t significantly better (if at all) than the Leopard 2A4.
Recompressing does not solve the issue. Instead, we should decompress and Type 90 won’t face SEPv3, 2A7, Strv 122, etc.
There is a difference between the classic uptier experience and a blatantly overpowered vehicle. Type 90 is 1.0 better than 2A4 or M1, not 0.7 better. Plus they can still face them, but only 4 instead of an entire team full of Type 90s rolling 10.3/7 lobbies.
I do as well, and the Type 90s, while possessing downsides such as the gun handling, are still significantly superior than the likes of the Leopard 2A4. Hell, multiple 10.3/7 rounds cannot penetrate the Type 90 hull down, not to mention it is also incredibly fast with a deadly shell/reload.
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An overall decompression is needed, but Gaijin is in no rush to do it because it’s “complicated.”
It’s much easier to just temporarily lower the Type 90’s BR.
Seriously?
The shell is a balancing factor; I’m not counting that.
Armor: tougher, but there’s less of it. The lower glacis can be penetrated by autocannons; the turret ring is larger and also vulnerable to autocannons. The turret sides can be penetrated by autocannons at extreme angles. A 3-man crew doesn’t help with survivability.
Mobility: within the margin of error.
Gun handling: the Japanese tank is worse in both parameters.
Gun angles: the Japanese suspension offers bonuses only in hull-down/positional play, whereas the Leopard is more versatile.
Rate of fire: well, pretty much everything—except for the Soviets, Chinese, and Germans at that BR—reloads in 5–6 seconds and often holds multiple advantages over the Type 90 (RIP Ariete and Merkava).
So, it boils down to: roughly equal armor/survivability, roughly equal mobility, less convenient gun handling, and a higher rate of fire. The Type 90 has just one distinct advantage over the Leo 2A4—plus the shell. That makes two. And that accounts for the 0.6 (or 0.7) BR difference between 10.7 and 11.3.
I detailed the advantages above; there isn’t a 1.0 Battle Rating difference there.
The Type 90 can’t penetrate the T-72B’s hull when equipped with Kontakt-1. Should we raise the T-72B’s Battle Rating?
In this game, the first shot is what matters most regarding reload speed. Right now, the reload just offers a chance to correct a mistake caused by a lousy shell (the DM33 is laughable at 11.7+).
Mobility — the Type 90 only outpaces the Leopard 2A4 when the Leopard hits its top speed limit.
https://youtu.be/4QOwSo4E4vY
Ita silly to complain type 90 suffers against 12.7 vehicles - since it has a higher BR, it is inherently superior.
See how stupid that sounds?
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Read through the entire conversation before you write anything. If even then it doesn’t sink in why the Type 90 shouldn’t have an 11.7 battle rating, then you have my sympathies.
I did.
I agree with yearoftheabrams.
I suggest you to read a guide then.