R-60Ms could be arguably better for this mode than Aim-9Ls, but what you said about the gun is 100% true.
depends if hes talking about head on its true but it is easier to dodge the 9L in the mode then the R60 due to the new seeker as the 60M has better instant turn off rail
ive been playing the mode even preflaring doesnt stop them sometimes
i dont like the seekers they gave them in this mode
they act in close range as if they have some IRRCCM
ive been having difficulty with both recently ive just stopped even trying to head on just hit them with sparrows from range
Do you mean Aim-9Js? (or another rear-aspect Aim-9)
without PD, it could have Aim-7Ps and I dont think it would matter much
I agree, but wallet was arguing the F-4E was better because it has 9Ls
ive gotten a few nukes using the low tier mig23 it works pretty well. 9L/s are the better of two missiles but arent anything special in this gamemode when everyone has flares and its a non irccm missile. not like it matters much anyway when the 9m can also be one flared. the mig23 isnt limited to r60. it also gets the r24r which is much better for the current playstyle in the mode
the amount of good planes doesnt mean anything. more variety sure but if it was the f4e, a7, a10,f8 vs the EF who is more likely to win? the planes are good for their respective BR but just because their is more of them doesnt mean that side is automatically better its silly when people bring up this point. especially when the airframes go tit for tat each having ad and disadvantages
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the one thing i hate most is literally not being able to play the US side due to no russian players joining in
MiG-29 Radar is the insurmountably dogass definition of a modern radar set.
Less missiles too, issue with the MiG-29 is the range isn’t usable because of the Air defenses and other players taking kills before it reaches.
Su-24 slander will NOT be tolerated
RAHHHH
i strongly disagree. It means the US team has alot of options to dominate russian teams with.
F14’s and its phoenixes put alot of pressure on russian teams since they dont even get a good rwr, while the 15, 16 and 18 pressure them at close range, with their superior avionics and flight performances. Not to mention countermeasure count.
All while russia has 2 planes to use. One with horrible flight performance and radar, and another with 4 hardpoints.
There is literally no reason for the US team to not dominate the skies with the options they have available and yet people call them bad
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In such a fast paced gamemode, with respawns and fast turn around. Being limited to “only” 2x R-27ERs as your SARH option, is hardly an issue, pretty much 2x Guranteed kills per spawn vs the 4x maybe kills in pretty much anything the US has.
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Even the premium f4 is a nuke printer in this mode since multipath doesn’t really work against it
not really an issue since most of the gameplay tends to be sub 6 miles which the phoenix just wont turn well enough to get a kill unless the target flies straight, not to mention you can just out turn them and are super easy to notch + multipath. ive played the f14 its ok in the gamemode but its radar simply isnt made for it.
f15 is probably the best airframe in the gamemode but the mig29 gets vastly superior missiles and HMD. f16 has a good flight model and only 9L’s which if your dying to 9L’s thats just a skill issue. and the f18 only has better radar and CM count. its really slow and sure it turns well but after one turn you have no energy and can easily be swarmed by mig29’s launching r73’s and r27ET’s.
the radar is fine for the playstyle if it was mostly BVR id agree but that simply isnt the case. and as morvran mentioned the missile count really doesnt matter
and you completely missed my point that the variety doesnt mean anything as each will go tit for tat with the mig29 and the yak 141
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+1 USA is abysmal. nato planes fire their flares into the dirt while multipathing and a huge amount of people are just pouring flares into the ground and don’t notice. plus the irccm on the r73 has 0.75 degrees FOV after launch and completely ignores flares anyway.
TLDR pure misery on USA
Guaranteed if the lock holds or it doesn’t spaz the radar on a friendly.
which isnt exclusive to the Mig-29. Though it seems perfectly reliable when defending against it
+1
at 12.0 america gets better planes (f-4s/f-4j) for average gameplay, hmd, aim 7fs, PD radar compared to the soviets which are stuck with the 23mld. Which has better flight performance, but worse missiles and no hmd
at 13.0 america does get good planes with the f-15, f-14, and f-18, but mig-29 is better than them in this gamemode cause r-73s and r27ers are that good. also yak 141 is a decent option but imo worse than the mig-29 and worse than the f-15, f-14 and f-18.
If you just go to like 3km alt, pitch up 50 degrees and fire that 27er, and then out roll sparrows or just go immediately back to the deck blueside cant do anything.
IMO it’s fairly balanced, with america being better in the 12.0 bracket and russia being better in the 13.0 bracket.
I don’t know…I can’t seem to get on the US side…I’m not waiting in the que for an hour.
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IMO the corsair II (A7-E) for the US side was just a bad choice instead of a second air to air phantom or F-111
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My main issue with america in the nuclear gamemode is the fact that they dont really get good SPAA. The roland cant really compete with the OSA and it really shows in it.
Also the aircraft that are given to you are kinda mid at best.
The F-4E is alright, and it gets 4 AIM-9Ls which is nice, but the A-7E or whatnot sucks badly the Su-24M and Su-25T blow it out of the water. IMO they should have used the A-10C (with a more limited armament bc the SDB would be kinda busted) along with the F-111F (no idea why they didnt use it as the counterpart to the Su-24M.
Other than those 2 issues america has been alright for me. Not as fun as the soviets with the funny HMD r-73s but its not bad to play.
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I would have agreed if it was not the op sams on both sides.
Usa lacks a supersonic ARM carrier unlike ussr, this seems big it first but really doesnt matter because the osa and rolands are so op they will shoot down all your ARM launched from a longer distance. Even if you do manage to take those aa down, there are 69420 more AA on the map, the rewards you get from destroying them is negligible, nor does it do anything to progression of match. So sead is a useless aspect of the gamemode.
Destroying s300 /patriots at the start of the match would be better to allow strat bombers to easily drop their nukes off
The best way to progress is to kill some jets, get 500sp nuke, nuke airfields win. In the killing air jets aspect, ussr has the better overall option with the mig23mld in default jets, otherwise at higher brs usa has much better options. For nuke runs mig23 is also a better option but not by that much, f4e is also awsome in doing that.
The best way to conserve ARMs is to wait unit you are shot at to launch, then bait the missile, since any given launcher can’t guide two at once.
all of the SAMs attached to a facility respawn after a short period, so you need to take them out in concert with spawning a bomber.