I love when people try to use mindtwists to try to justify uptiering the F-14As in their current state.
Absolutely correct. In its current state, the F-14 can only do one role well. Climb, launch missiles meant to hit bombers, and send afk/zombers/drones back to the hanger. That’s their only “strong” suit. On top of this role being easily counterable, making them a whole 1.0 BR higher than the Navy Phantoms (That basically do the same thing w/o the trash phoenixes) is pure delusion. The F-14A already suffers from being at 12.7 with the IRIAF, the IRIAF is the definition of a 1 trick pony (being a bad plane with decent missiles), and the F-14B is on the edge of suffering too, as it constantly sees Aim-120 slingers that completely counter it’s role of using the phoenix at high altitudes.
This is hilarious, truly. I mean come on. The Mig-29 with the R-27ER is LITERALLY the same BR. Their ranges are basically identical.
That’s how the game works… Until Gaijin changes/reworks the BR system, uptiers are gonna suck. That’s how it is. However, there’s a difference between 11.3s (that still have RWR btw) facing Phoenix missiles that don’t pull worth anything, can easily be spotted well before they hit you, and can easily be decoyed by simply going away from them. From spam from Aim-120s that will hit you no matter how hard you maneuver, can’t easily be spotted, won’t be easily decoyed whatsoever, and are also carried by planes that are better than you in every way avionics, performance, and armament-wise. In the F-14A, once it’s out of missiles, it’s only got 2 Aim-9H. So in both high and low BRs, once the F-14 is out of missiles (and cannot do it’s only role it’s good at) it’s reduced to a very vulnerable target. It still has bad survivability.
This all goes back to the F-14s as a whole needing buffs and being sent to higher BRs. This is why I urge people who don’t like the F-14 to actively advocate for buffs, so the F-14 pilots get the jet they deserve fighting fair enemies, and the lower tier planes don’t have to play against the big scary Aim-54 anymore. It’s a win-win.
Well there is a valid buff they can give for the IRIAF… FATTER IR missile. However… the info about it is, nearly non existant… Let’s say it is at least AIM-9L level. In fact might be the same missile that Azarakhsh system fires, since it got launched from a drone as well , that might be the airborn version.
The F14A still is a very competent plane.
It has a fantastic kit.
Good fm, good flight performance and good over capabilities due to a nice mixture of it all.
Ive read all you said and the F14 and its ridiculous the F14 should not move down to 12.3 and invalidated nearly and entire br bracket bellow it. (edit as id mucked up the message as was on phone)
The F14A just isnt the absolute lobby wrecker it was, that doesnt mean its in a bad spot.
People forget the F14 is still a good dogfighter too.
The it goes lower and the kit combined with good platform and decent perfromance absolutely merks lobbies.
Its like the F104s , mig19s ,arietes etc at 9.3
They all got moved down fue to the a10s.and su25s absolutely power stomping them.
If we drop the F14A down to 12.3 itll literally go back to the same nonsense of people wrecking full lobbies with it…
Decompression is the way the new gen 4.5s should be 14.7 and move the arh slingers like the 16c f15c erc all up to 14.0 giving the F14 a room to breath and be in lobbies with comparable jets bht without the risk of an amraam or such rammed down its throat.
Mins you but before they added the ARH missile meta, f14s silly absolutely clowned lobbies with only pheonixes when multipath was a blanket area.
I took the f14 out last night, it took 2 people firing 7 missiles at me to effectively kill me.
Now i got 1 kill, but due to the fact 7 missiles were at me is why.
That is not a plane that suffers at its br.
The people trying to justify the F14 dropping down in BR are only using the argument of aim54s bad yeah they aint great but the F14 is more than those missiles.
Decompress, not recompress is all ill say.
F-14 doesn’t wreck lobbies, and it never did. Its missiles are bad (somewhat decent in the case of the IRIAF) and it’s slower than nearly every plane at its BR.
It had nothing to do with the F-14 itself. It wasn’t the F-14 wrecking lobbies, it was the players that didn’t know how to counter it wrecking themselves.
Fair.
But we need to remember that F-14 was facing jets with no RWR at all.
And there was a gap between the introduction of F-14 and ‘giving 4th-gen fighters on every nation’
I rather supporting
counterparts which stay lower than F-14 (Mirage 2000CS-5 can be an example) need to go up to 12.7 and tie up with F-14A USN.
and makes the further decompression and sends F-14A IRIAF to 12.85-ish.
than
buffing F-14A back to 12.3 which will end up with compression.
and makes F-104S ASA suffer.
I think F-14A USN’s problem is quite complicated and can only be dealt with by decompressing.
They seem still fine with fragging 3rd-gen at ease. (Even if we don’t consider that infamous and iconic phoenix at all)
While struggling against 4th-gen.
Im sorry that is total BS mate the fact they could fly up drop off X amount of pheonixes and dip again without engaging at all created the most ridiculous farming loop ive seen in this game for so long
The entire meta shifted when it was added, it was a supperior platform to everything when it was added.
The mig29s were worse than it over all.
It still is a great plane at 12.7 and no longer sees uptiers the way it did.
IF that goes back to 12.3 it will absolutely rinse lobbies.
Ill keep that in mind when i was smashing lobbies apart with it at 12.3
that makes no sense at all, im literally saying it was and still IS a great plane.
If you dont know how to use it sure.
You dont even have the base F14A and think the IRIAF is a bad plane? brother you really need to brush up the F14A at 12.7 is exactly where it should be.
Im sorry buddy but the F14A, A IRIAF, and the B are all good air craft.
The IRIAF with teh fakour 90s and access to R27s is arguably 13.0 worthy.
The A has access to sparrows which are decent for the BR.
It has an okay radar aint bad aint great.
Has access to pheonixes. which are great for keeping the lobby down.
Fakours are kinda ok, and the R-27 are pretty good, however you only get two of em.
Aim-7E-2s are ok, however they’re also held by planes significantly lower in BR, and not to mention, you face planes with just as many better missiles, e.g Aim-120s.