Am I the only one who thinks the F-14 IRIAF is still significantly overperforming at its current BR?

Compared to Normie F-14A without Fakour, we might consider it as ‘slightly underrated.’
Not massively though.

“B…but…! what about Mirage 2000! and F-16A!”
Even if we consider the rest of 4th gen, F-14A itself isn’t overrated.

The rest of its counterparts are underrated badly instead.
(Which makes F-14A to seem overrated)

What we need to do is ‘nerfing counterparts to a proper place for decompression’
not ‘buffing F-14A back to 12.3 and making everything ridiculous.’

Sadly, I think this conversation is meaningless as long as you close your ears while blocking me :/

F90 is the best bvr missile, 20gs while good acceleration and you get 6 at super high range, easy to spam fox 3 until they go pitbull and then just rtb rearm and again. Good airframe and turning, overall some 13.7s say that they suffer from f90s more than medium-range fox3s

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So 99% of jets are under-BR’d. I mean true, but everything will end up where it was relative to F-14A TT.

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Nah, I hope you don’t exaggerate this time pal.

Still, yeah. there are quite much of underrated jets.
somewhat likes to F-86A/F.

compared to F-14A USN,
M2KC, F-4J/S, and F-4EJ Kai can be considered as underrated jets. (this is some of examples.)

Well F-14A TT is 1 in 99 most likely, hence 99%. Though to be fair, I don’t have the most accurate number of aircraft from 11.3 - 13.7.

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Why do you complain about jets you haven’t even played? The Fakour is not the best BVR missile. It’s the best-ranged missile, but the best BVR missile is the Aim-120B.

You also don’t have 6. You have 4. This is how I know you don’t play the F-14 and aren’t being truthful.

It’s airframe is good, but the engines suck, and the only 13.7s that suffer from the Fakour are bots. Anyone dying to the fakour more than Modern Fox 3s is not good at the game.

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In my opinion, we need at least 15.0 decompression before the end of this year.

Almost everyone knows that F-14A IRIAF acts better than F-14A USN
(Thanks to Fakour which is now in the perfect cherry-picking sweet spot)

Also, you know that it is quite unfair that the F-14A USN is stuck in a higher place than the Mirage 2000C.
Right?

Long ago, it was pure bullshit when F-14A USN saw Mirage IIIC or Hunter F.6 thanks to shit tons of compression than now.
Then F-14A USN took no direct nerf on BR in two years. Every adjustment was followed as a side-effect of Decompression, and can be considered as an ‘indirect nerf’

Then IRIAF comes out.
Silly ‘sidegrade’(Laugh) version of F-14A USN which acts superior
Gaijin must’ve thought it was just like the F-4J(USN)/F-4J(UK) case.
It just killed an 11.3-12.3 match with Fakour. Of course, It also seems that it killed the reason to play F-14A USN.

After two years of bloodshed since the danger zone, Both F-14A USN and IRIAF got the first direct Nerf in BR in their history. (Gaijin is dumb enough to think Phoneix and Fakour are ‘same’)

If we consider F-4E or F-104S, F-14A is 12.7 capable. But there were some options also should’ve followed.

  • F-4J/S should’ve gone up to 12.3. (yes. there is no means to having a gap between them that large.)
  • F-4EJ and Mirage 2000C should’ve gone up to 12.7 with F-14A.

It would’ve been better if Gaijin did proper decompression in October 2024, but those greedy bastards didn’t.

I know it is unfair that F-14A USN sees F-15C, and was saw F-15E.
But at the same time, It is also unfair that send F-104S back to see F-14A

I can’t remember how much time I claimed that

  • we need decompression and nerfing underrated counterparts to follow up, not buffing F-14A back to harass the match all over again.
  • F-14A IRIAF is 12.85 material. it can’t be either 12.7 or 13.0.

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I disagree with your vs Mirage 3C take, cause here’s my record of the F-14A era:


I stopped playing this the second it was spaded, not a single F-14A fragged my 3C.
One fragged my 3E cause I misjudged an entrance, so he got guns on, but 3C remains to this day an F-14A’s menace.
When I say I miss fighting F-14s with my F-5C equivalent aircraft, I mean it. I miss it, I miss the rush of entering the engagement correctly and fragging something so notorious.
Now? F-14 frags give me no joy cause not only are they objectively worse than the aircraft of their BR, but their notorious reputation died.
I get dopamine from F-15C/A frags though since they’re objectively OP.

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I understand your joy which comes from the ‘slaying dragon’ hype.
Fragging superior jet with inferior one…
Everyone loves that moment. right?

Flying Tornado GR.1 and shoving AIM-9L into F-14A or F-16A’s ass
or Fragging F-15A while flying and grinding stock Mirage 2000CS-4 bia useless Super 530F (which was defeated by a single chaff drop)
Ah, I almost fell off my chair when I killed F-15A with my 2000CS-4 because of laughing. good old time…

I just want to say that
Vintage Jets with no RWR and no CM shouldn’t see F-14A in the first place.
I am glad that era has ended, gone, forever.

You might be skilled enough to slay F-14A with your Mirage 3C while none of F-14 managed to kill you. and it was super-hyped enough to give dopamines.
But it doesn’t give any kind of indulgence to F-14A at the ‘Danger Zone’ which was in a heavily compressed situation and taking advantage of it.

Anyway, I am a bit worrying about derailing though.
This topic was originally for ‘F-14A IRIAF is still overperforming’ thread. :|

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F15A sat under br’d for so long man when it was 12.3 and everything else was 12.7.

The f14 btw is still a fantastic platform, overall, its. Like a jack of all trades master of none.
With correct fuel management you can get into dogfights with most of the roster and win, not against F16s and such but mirage 2000s and that sort of level you can.

Biggest issue is its up against the likes of J10A’s ,gripens, f16A/Cs etc

What would actually benefit most people, gen 4.5s like the ef2000 and such to 14.3 or maybe 14.7

Then move the likes of them f14B up up to 13.3, IRIAF at 13.0 and the standard a to 127 ?

Whats your thoughts on that ?

It would also mean we could move up the likes of the phantoms and gripens etc that all got moved down, so fgr1s etc to 12.3 bellow the F14A, and would stop them getting their teeth stuffed in by gripens.

13.0 for gripens F16s etc even without the arh missiles is criminal, 12.0s stand absolutely no chance.

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Your conversation isnt off topic, the relation of the 14A and compression mixed with how folks spammed it against jets with no rwr explains why it is at its br.

The f14A iriaf isnt overperforming persay but.is a victim of compression

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Well, as long as I think F-14A IRIAF is 12.85 capable compared to USN

I thought it was a Two-face guy of compression.
Victim of F-15E, and Criminal to F-14A USN. :D

The short answer compression.

The long answer, that due to gaijins balance metrics on BR placement that we all dont truly understand we have to speculate vehicle BR not based off.of general individual experiences but the average overall perfromance of the jet.

In which the F14A IRIAF is as you say above the 14A however due to the current br limit we cannot.move it higher

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Yes. Compression and Gaijin’s laziness are ruining games, as always.

F-14A IRIAF need to be higher than F-14A USN
But not in the current F-4F ICE level. :/

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This would all be solved if they buffed the F-14s to their IRL performance. But Gaijin refuses because without it America has a big gap in BRs and Capability. Give the F-14A it’s buffs and it could easily be 13.0, IRIAF - 13.3, F-14B - 13.7

How would it be big gaps.

Usa has an insane amount of planes

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USA still have F-16A/ADF, AV-8B+ and F-15A for filling that non-exist gap.

Then will you write a bug report with proper sources?

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The thing is almost all 11.3s - 13.7s need to move up by a minimum of 0.3, and in reality, a number of them need to move up by 0.7 [some of the 13.0s through some of the 13.7s].

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yeah decompression at above 11.0 really is a must now isnt it?