same solution sweden has regarding fnf helis right now
They dont get any. There is reasons why we told you its unlikely
I’m Swiss, and all for adding Swiss vehicles and getting them an authentic treatment (so far sadly with too many issues, see my fights to get our Mirage and Tiger the armament they deserve…), but I don’t see how Sitzerland could ever be its own tree, also not as Alpine tree with Austria.
While there are interesting vehicles, there’s just not enough “flesh on the bone”, way less so than for example Israel, which I think has the smallest trees atm.
There are interesting examples around, less so as really used vehicles but more as prototypes, and the P-16 and C-3604 prove they can have a place in WT.
But that wouldn’t be enough.
I’d be prefectly happy if Gaijin continued to add some choice vehicles to the German tree…
And fix the neglected ones, as my poor MIRO and Tiger… ;-)
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Are you sure at about the Israel? They basicly have only have the merkava and a view other light vehicels Evrything else are just straight American or Soviet vehicels with smal changes. Or do i see that compleatly wrong?
…same as Switzerland: some local designs, but mostly imported stuff.
It’s a bit more interesting in ground vehicles, thanks to the quite active MOWAG designers mostly, but also that is very limited an for a large part really only prototypes.
For aircraft we already have two out of four viable vehicles (not taking into account variants), missing the C-35 if we want to go so early, and the N.20. If very generous, could add the D-3802 and D-3803 (heavily modified Moranes). That’s about it. = /
Sadly there realy arn’t much more swiss plane designs with wapons at least im not a big expert in that regard but the israel air ist just straight up copy paste too.
And MOWAG does not realy make new vehicels anymore just more variants of the Piranha like the for me very intresting Piranha 10x10 HMC AGM.
I dont know what israel is currently developing but they probably only make new versions of the Merkava too. Correct me if they make other fancy stuff i didnt look it up just now. So out of my perspective the only big diffrences are that Israel has Helicopter and a serious 12.7.
indiginous IFV, spaas and MBT, and they develop a lot of aircraft arsenal.
Unique fox 2s, fox 3s, A2G armament.
They offer way more at high tier /top tier then switzerland ever will.
Stop looking at other trees to justify switzerland, you are only losing
as above, that is the mostly aircrafts, but they develop unique armament for them , thats more then switzerland will ever do.
ignoring the unique armament, which no other nation realy uses in that regard, better then most other nation copy pasta, of another aim 9m and aim 120s
Israel uses pythoons and derbys which play differently and do have different behaviour
Honestly , you still are coping hard there. You are aware germany is developing just another leopard. US is developing just another Abrams, the duck you think development is.
Namer is unique, EItan is unique, spyder is unique, merkavas is unique.
Those are all vehicles self developed.
Is the general tree of israel extensive ? no
But they high tier /top tier is the shiny toy which gets people to play it as well, cause of unique vehicles and armament
Aye, that’s my hope, that Gaijin actually adds the MOWAG stuff to the TT. You could make an entire line of the Sharks alone. Additionally, they also have tons of other stuff that could work around the mid tiers like the Gepard and Pirat.
Aye, I think if they really wanted to, they could probably add a whole bunch of the Early Swiss stuff to the tree. Depending on how early they want to go, there’s the Dewotine D.27, D.28, and the Fokker C.VE as options. Another one that might make for a neat Premium or tech tree option is the Swiss-built BF-109D/E. Also, hopefully they add some Swiss Skins to the Bf 109s in the TT.
I wasn’t even compareing it to switzerland or trying to justifie switzerland with it, but if you compare it at least switzerland would have a acctual lowtier and a serious mid tier. With that said i dont compare it to switzerland.
I was compairing the ground of israel with the ground of other nations and out of my perspective there are realy not many unique vehicels, yes there are the Namer, the Eltan, the Spyder and the Merkava but there arnt that many other realy unique vehicels even with copy pasta of the upgraded vehicels.
Yes sure the armament is diffrent but the planes arn’t the f-16 ist still a f-16, the f-15 is still a f-15 and the mirages are still mirages at the core becose the airframes remain the same and even with diffrent systems they remain mostly the same since they dont change that much in terms of the game. So the only thing realy unique about most of the planes are the wapons whitch makes them diffrent to play but evrything else is just very close to evry other plane of the family.
Obviously are they are developing just other leopards and Abrams what would be the point of investing billions into the development of a whole new tank if you alredy have a existing one that you could adapt to your needs for way less? And israel does the same with the Merkava too as i previously said.
And for the unique vehicels yes as said alredy multiple times Namer is unique, EItan is unique, spyder is unique and of course the shiny thing you want the Merkava is unique but thats where the unique ends agin you get the Merkava at 9.3 and you keep the Merkava untill 12.7 yes it changes a lot but its a single tank you can play at top tier.
And mid tier is just copy pasta with very view exeptions there and the changes are very small too until rank VI where you get bigger upgrades but under all those upgrades its still the same M60 who still belongs to the same M60 family and has still the same playstyle as the others even if it is a bit better and gets a laser rangefinder and so on.
As you said
And i basicly want to say the same, the thing that i see diffrent is that over all ist too little for a whole tech tree. I mean half of the tech tree are modifications of the M60 and the Merkava and only view are realy unique like the Eitan and the others we named enough alredy.
That does sound like it.
Doesnr matter, its not what the game is about.
We are getting korea, it will be similar to israel.
Different armament can change the gamestyle and way ro use quote a bit.
“only” merkavas, if they make “fancy” stuff.
You are saying it in a negative way, that those domt count as much.
Doesnr matter top tier is what is important for gajin.
Merkavas are unique to israel. Leos can be found everywhere.
Geemany only has leos from a certain point as well. Uk challengers
Thats how mbts work
No. All i did was critisise the israel Tech Tree as it is right now, if i realy wanted to compare switzerland i would choos a other nation isreal is exremely diffrent to switzerland in a ton of ways.
It matters. You cant just add a 12.7 tank and call it a day you have to have a serious tech tree whitch provides more than only top tier. And for the Korean tech tree im personaly very exited about it, they have huge potental and many unique vehicels that can be added, it wont just be a 12.7 Black Panther and thats it even if it is simular to israel.
I said it in a negative way becose we have alredy many Merkavas and with ‘‘fancy’’ stuff i don’t mean a Merkava with a slightly diffrent armor layout but another unique IFV or some other type of vehicel.
You focus way too much on top tier. Yes toptier is important but they can’t add much more there at least right now. Right now and in the future too top tier is gonna be the same vehicels over and over agin in diffrent variants as you said ‘‘thats how mbts work’’ and there is no problem with that. The problem is as you may see if you take a look at the diffrent tech trees there are multiple tech trees with only two or three 12.7 becose there simply arn’t any more you could add while keeping evrything balanced and intresting.
In addition to that they make profit from people not wanting to grind and buying premiumus and premium time but there is no grind if you could just start reserching at top tier from the beginning. So yes the mid and lower tiers are very important too.
Soon Germany will have a unique challanger too :3
They could. Literally they could without issue. The issue is nations like China, Israel, Italy, uk. Who all don’t really have next gen equipment unlike Germany USA Russia. Who have loads of options
They do? I didnt know but sounds intresting whats the name of it?
I know and id like to see those vehicels too but they can’t realy add them without making it unfair for some nations.
player buys 11.3 premium, plays it to grind trough the whole tech tree without ever touching low /mid tier.
Say what again about low and mid tier?
ok how is it different to israel? because its nearly in the exact same situation.
they have their indiginous mbts, ifvs and so on.
same can be said about every mbt in the game
i can give you a list of like 8 modern mbts that germany can get all better then current 12.7 tanks
you just said yourself basicaly that they are only place holders and wouldnt matter what is positioned there.
The chally 130 or the more correct name rheinmetall 130mm demonstrator or sth like, that, we are just lazy so chally 130.
rheinmetall wanted to put the 130mm on a tank for testing and advertising to germany.
So they took a challenger they had and modified it cause the turret is fatter then leos and was easier to do. Its kinda contended and the best way would be for both UK and germany to get it
Rheinmetalls 130mm mbt testbed. Wrongly called challenger 2 130.
They can fit within Germany. Switzerland can’t fit and be competitive as its own nation it just doesn’t have the equipment
well we are lazy
The british suggestion calls it Rheinmetall Defence 130mm Gun Testbed Challenger 2 as well
Its a demonstrator with a to complicated long name
Complicated because people don’t call it what rheinmetall called it. They only ever called it 130mm test bed and 130mm mbt test bed.
Most players don’t just buy a 11.3 premium they all start free to play and have huge fun at low and mid tier where you progress still somewhat fast until they get to the higher tiers where most buy a premium because they realise how much of a grind it is and they don’t just want to stop after all the hours and the fun they alredy had. And there is one more category of players who make gaijin a huge amount of money, the collectors who want unique vehicles that are locked behind paywalls like the T58, the Panzerbefehlswagen or the Somua just to name a view.
Seen like this yes they main the K2 as the main mbt but they have many other unique vehicels too and i hope to focus on adding them and not using too much copy pasta…
Didn’t say anything different either only that it gets boring at some point and it would be way more interesting to have some new unique vehicle instead.
For Germany i can make this list myself they don’t have a problem in that regard but what about the other nations who don’t make this many new prototypes? How do you want to balance that out? And besides that, the newest models have many systems that are almost impossible to add to the game like the active link between the tanks to coordinate movements and sutch.
As I just said above it is important.
Thanks for the infos sound interesting going to take a closer look at it.