Bruh it’s the same vehicle
I saw it got flagged as “not enough info”, hopefully someone finds a newer source
AFAIK, that’s the only source that shows an actual layout. We do have things like job listings for spall liner inspection on the vehicle, so it’s abundantly clear it has them, but outside of that I’m not sure there are any sources for the layout.
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You can only do so much when modern vehicles are added
Let me guess, they’re going to add a variant with its armour packages and ATGMs at a higher BR, despite the BMPT being at the exact same BR, having T-72BV armour and ATGMs already.
There is no way Gaijin thought these 2 vehicles were equals that deserve to be at the same BR.
Currently, Ajax, which is a recce vehicle, can’t even spot. And a basic T-55 is immune to it from the front.
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Thats because it is intentional.
Wdym it can’t spot? It had scouting the last time I played it.
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same br as the 2s38 lmao, another joke of a uk light
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My issue is that they made it the same BR as the BMPT.
I don’t understand who at gaijin HQ is looking at these vehicles and deciding their BR, because the decisions that come out are awful sometimes.
The AJAX literally only has a 40mm (which is even sub par to the Strf90/40 in most ways except pen) and literally no armour. This added with the fact it has such a huge silhouette means that it’s easily the worst IFV in its BR bracket.
Someone looked at the AJAX and unironically thought to themselves; “this vehicle with no armour, and only a 40mm gun is definitely comparable to this T-90 covered in ERA that has 2 30mm’s and 4 kornet missiles. That will be a fair and even fight, so put them at the same BR.”
I mean for god sake, the Desert Warrior is somehow only .3 of a BR lower than it despite being worse in every conceivable way.
The 2S38 being the same BR as it is a problem too, seeming as SOMEHOW the 2S38 can lolpen all the time, and this thing cant.
This is what I have to aim for using AJAX on the BMPT, while all he needs to do is either shoot me with his 30mm or launch an ATGM at me and I’m gone. The fact that ammo cook off on the BMPT doesn’t even destroy it anymore also makes this thing insane. AJAX should NOT be at the same BR as this.
Multiple times I’ve shot their guns/ammo, and destroyed that only to be hit with a missile because they are nigh on impossible to kill from any angle that isn’t a flat side.
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I was in the 120s at close range and sank 5 or s m829A1 rounds into all the normal T series weak spots before it died. The only thing that gave me the time to do that was I broke his turret ring the first shot - which never happens lol. Then took his tread with my .50.
Point being, this thing is actually morr survivable than any other vehicle I have fought against.
Yeah, playing the BMPT (tech-tree) - some of the things I have survived has made me laugh. And that was before I unlocked the extra ERA package. There is simply no reality where this thing will stay 10.3. But at the same time, it won’t be a change that you guys will want. It will be like how Gaijin moved the Flakpanzer from 6.3 to 7.0. The vehicle will still be just as OP, while having an even better lineup (I’ll hazard to guess they’ll move it to 10.7, so it will have things such as 2S6 and Object292, etc).
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I am hoping 11.0/11.3. And yeah. It’ll still be busted - though hopefully m829a2 will help. That said, if they did some decompression AGAIN, that could help too.
Good observation
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the ajax frontally is very resistant / immune to the bmpts 30mm apds, it either shatters of doesn’t pen due to the high hardness armor.
also I would like to point out that if you face a bmpt frontally something wrong has happened unless the bmpt is pushing you most engagements you are gonna be behind it, plus it is easier to ammo rack the bmpt than any other tank due to the ammo being fully unprotected in the hull. ( I would like to preference that this is coming from my own experience fighting the bmpt, most times I died to it was either due to my own mistakes or being overwhelmed by multiple enemies)
Now am I saying the bmpt is balanced or that the ajax is equal to it, simple answer is no; however it isn’t as big of a difference between them as one would expect. Now the bmpt is still under-tiered a bit it feels closer to a 10.7-11.0 vehicle just due to atgms and armor, it just has too many weaknesses to put it up to something like 11.7 or above; those weaknesses are: bad reverse, the 30mm gun has very weak armor penetration, bad gun depression, weak spot that can be penned by ww2 guns( above the drivers port around the turret ring), hard to aim atgms, and can be over-pressured by hitting the bump above the drivers port.
(sorry for extended message I just don’t see the hype behind the bmpt and hate the constant avoidance of it’s weaknesses no hate towards you or anyone just dont like how the bmpt is portrayed)
Spoken like someone who hasn’t used the BMPT. And of course, it will not go to 11.7 without being given a better round.
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I admit I never used it and I don’t think I said I did; However, most of what I am saying was from killing them and my general experince fighting them while grinding the CRV Boxer event. Using the BMPT might change my view on it however my point of that comment was more of yes it is good but from my experince fighting them isn’t as good as people make it out to be, I still think it should go up a bit to something like 10.7 - 11.0, but even with the apfds shell I don’t think it could fit something like 11.7
Also for those who’d like the Ajax to receive its RWS/ATGM capabilities, support is appreciated! They’re flat out ignoring the bug report now that there’s black and white evidence it should receive said capabilities.
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Am I missing something? It’s been able to scout since day one and it has a scout drone…
it can spot youre just missing the scouting
I thought so too, I went into a match and didn’t have the ability to scout. I joined another then did have the ability, so I think there is some sort of bug afoot. I’ll have to look into it closer
Only where the armour is angled. Most of the front of the turret is not (I suspect irl there should be some composite behind that as there is a conveniently sized void between the steel plate and the gun), nor is it above the engine.
30mm APDS can go right through these from 500m, so a single round from the BMPT can ammo rack an Ajax by aiming at the left side of the turret (not exactly a small target).
So your arguement is as long as you manage to get behind it to where it doesn’t have much armour, it’s easy to kill… Thank goodness you’re not in charge of balancing this game.
What if you’re not playing against people who are brain-dead, and know to point armour towards the enemy?
Oh, I’m sorry that it’s not COMPLETELY impervious to anything but an MBT from the front… That 1% of the frontal area that can be penetrated makes the entire armour useless… (sarcasm)
I’ve been trying this in the armour viewer with 76 & 90mm WW2 guns, the turret ring was possible with the 90mm but not the 76, but only sometimes, and it’s about 3 pixels high in the hangar, when you’re looking from <10m away.
Hitting the actual driver’s hatch worked with both, but again, that’s a minuscule target to hit.
To reiterate, Ajax is not proof against any of those guns, so using that as a reason why the BMPT isn’t so great is a bit of a weak excuse.
I was killed by that same round (from a BTR) earlier that penetrated the mantlet of the M47 I was driving… From 950m away.
It’s not amazing, but it’s not a terrible round, more than good enough for most light vehicles.
Pretty much all of the “weaknesses” are SO minor and would be considered a good thing on other tanks. The weak spots in the armour being tiny. The bad reverse being made up for by god-tier armour. Bad pen, not really being very bad, and made up for by fire rate and the fact it gets tandem ATGMs with 800mm of pen. Hard to aim ATGMs… At least it actually gets ATGMs at all. Ajax doesn’t, nor does Puma or many other IFVs around that tier.
The BMPT is ridiculously OP. Just because you’ve come across some bad players that you’ve managed to get behind and kill (probably people who bought the premium one) doesn’t make it not OP or the Ajax perform poorly.
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