I find it a bit weird some times and it would randomly loose track in side on engagements, pretty strange, sort of like when you turn of radar half way after launching fox 1s, never happened with other fox 2s without flares.
It definitely isn’t the best at front and side locks but remember it hasn’t got any type of irccm, in rear aspect it has incredible flare resistance (for not being an irccm missile) and you should use it in all aspects only for targets that don’t know it’s coming their way.
I just keep running out of 7Ms otherwise I wouldn’t even use it.
Everybody would prefer more aim7F on the f16 because the current ARB meta are frontal fox1-3 shots but this doesn’t mean the aim9l is bad.
No, not at all, I just find the loss of track weird, cause in similar situations, even the PL5B/C, or R60 (not M) were able to hit their mark, quite weird.
I agree, but you have to acknowledge the abysmal range of r60 and the immense flare hunger of those missiles compared to aim9l.
I am not saying they are better, I was just testing and the 9L seem to be the only one that has this, even 9P-4 doesn’t.
A trade-off I’m more than happy to make don’t you agree?
If “incredible flare resistance” is being able to be decoyed by 2 flares from a Mig-21 in full AB, then that seems like an exceedingly low bar to beat.
The 9L is comically easy to decoy in rear aspect, its not even a challenge. As it is right now, the 9J and 9D to H have vastly superior countermeasure resistance as their FOVs are smaller.
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Ok, it was very op, but it got upturned into amraam territory, also do you know what a stock grind is? Especially with 2 9h and 2 54a, I didn’t even know you could use phoenixs stock💀
Its still very OP, i hvae it flew it since stock like everyone elese, fakours with 50-75% hit rate and R27s make it too easy to score 2:1 consistently
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I have to strongly disagree here, my experience with it has been that it very weak to flaring with the large sight, and not only flaring but also switching targets to missles flying around also for some reason it loves to glue itself to friendlies when launched, rear aspect or not. Id trade it for a r60m in the blink of an eye, espec with the HMS IR option like on the mig29
+1 from me id take the 9D over it any day
aim 9l is perfectly fine on the base f16
No.
Im just with replying with the same amount of argumenatatio .
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but the aim120 was the standard for the block 10.
@Sovengardian it is more than common that war thunder forum users will say “this is fine, you’s just bad” while not even playing the vehicle in question.
Huh? No? AMRAAM didn’t enter service a decades later.
the amraam was being developed ten years before the block 10 took flight and the radar was made to be able to guide ARHs before going pitbull. Besides, aircraft go under modernization programs. If the F-4E historically launched aim7p’s and aim9m’s newer than the aircraft itself why wouldn’t a new aircraft test launch and adapt a missile system older than it? The game does not show real/historical weapon loadouts. Even the MiG21 can launch r27er’s because it did in real life, yet in game only the Bison can and only the r27r. It’s a matter of balance, because making dynamic BR’s is stupid and tedious. Imagine a gun only f-4e at 10.0, that thing is like 80 percent of a MiG19PT, it can outdogfight f-5s at slow speed and turn inside mig23s. Then an F-4E with four aim9p’s and four aim9m’s at 12.3, does it make any sense?
It didn’t have DL channels. I can launch AMRAAMs with F15C pre MSIP but it wasn’t designed for it.
F16As that under gone modernisation are not F16A block 10 either, mostly block 15 and Taiwanese F16A block 20 was built to MLU standard anyway. Block 10 never received any of that. Neither was it ever able to carry AMRAAMs cause a weapon need to be tested before service, cause F16 block 15 has different FM to block 10.