Gaijin is currently implementing the IIR seekers with the good ol’ fov gating and tracking suspension IRCCMs, so I definitely wouldn’t count on them changing seekers to be more realistic. Not to mention, TY-90 is also IIR irl. So any improvement that come to the 9X would also come to the TY-90 for instance.
Yeah, i’ve been lazy enough on not downloading the Dev server, but i’ll probably get it either later today or tomorrow.
I haven’t tested it against real targets. But what I noticed after the missile change though is that super short range maneuverability is definitely worse. Before the change in vertical launch I could hit the helicopter (~1km range), after the change it has a much larger turn radius, so it just misses. But it’s like pointless anyway, long range performance probably improved. But otherwise feels pretty similarly there. I will have to wait until live to see how it really perform though, so I can’t say much now. I can’t be bothered to grind it on the dev server.
they gave it the same poor agility that they unrealistically nerfed the aim120A/B with compared to it having a more normal ARH agility when dev opened so that makes sense
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8 ty90s are not a problem though. 2 aim9x is
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I wouldn’t say 9Ms are a step up against Iglas at all, but they are definitely better than the ATAS and ATAM.
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I’ve already said in another reply that I’m not entirely sure about the iglas, however I have taken a closer look at them recently and found them to be much more situational than the other MANPADS.
Their caged seeker seems like a massive downside to me, but I have no experience using them and I never seem to encounter them.
Don’t forget that the AH-1Z is STILL missing the ability to carry 6x AIM-9s, reported 5 and 7(!!!) years ago
https://old-forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/435929-14-12-2018-ah-1z-sidewinder-count/
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It’s basically a non-factor because they modeled it’s pointing charge so it actually has a better off the rails performance than any other MANPAD, because of their erroneous modelling of the Stinger and Mistral.
Ah, aight, I knew about the scuffed modelling of non-Soviet MANPADS, but I didn’t think it would be that much better off the rails. I would have expected that they would be about as bad (or inconsistent) as Stingers.
honestly should probably be reported through the new system
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The problem is that it can’t be reported because the manual is from 2008…and both of those reports were before the whole “classified document leaks” and “we can’t use restricted manuals anymore” -despite them using a restricted manual to limit F-111F carrying AGM-130 to only 2 instead of 4 (also the reason why AV-8B outrigger pylon AIM-9s can’t be reported, restricted docs)
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They don’t matter much at all, as they have pre-boost corrections that will account for any lead it has to pull.
Isnt here also declassification order?
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The 9M has 2-3x the agility of an Igla, twice the seeker tracking rate for less range
theres a reason 28NMs and Ka-50s never bother with these things over just taking more Vikhrs.
Worse IRCCM, DISGUSTING energy retention to the point where it can’t reach a target moving away from you even if you launch from 1.5-2km.
The Ka-50 gets 2 iglas, why in heaven’s unholy game would you take them over 6 ATGMs?
Mi-28NMs are attack helicopters, there’s no reason to take Iglas over Vikhrs and Vikhrs do the exact same thing with an extra 2km of effective range.
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I think Western MANPADs should just be fixed first, without the whole ‘but muh igla can’t do it!’ excuse
Then we can see if more is needed
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Export restricted, can’t be used for bug reports, basically the same as if it was actually classified (not available to public at all)
Mach 1.4 flying straight past you maybe?
If it’s that bad you’d be saying ATAS is better since it also has more Range + FoV+Seeker Shutoff IRCCM (and a better seeker head for All-Aspect locks). 9M is so much more agile than 9M39 Igla even with the latters launch gyro.
(used 9L because smokeless motor ruins the visual)
if you are talking about same manual as in these reports - probably you can use it
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/EfRAOsqvDHBC