This update focuses on countries that do not possess aircraft equipped with ESA radar, implementing distinctive aircraft for each.However, these were not implemented in Israel. At this stage, Sweden has not implemented them either, but it has already been mentioned that work is underway there.Indeed, Israel has Kfil C.10, but this was last year’s winter event, and there are currently almost no ways to obtain it.Therefore, I earnestly hope that the ESA fighter jet for Israel will be implemented.
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Only with other nation added to Israel i suppose. There’s only F15IA with AESA that can come as israeli, but it will arrive to service in 2031 irl. Rafale and F-16 bl.70/72 from Greece subtree may come, but not in current update.
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Current options seem to be:
🇮🇱 F-35I (way too early)
🇮🇱 F-15I+ (Doesn’t exist yet)
🇮🇱 F-15IA (Doesn’t exist yet)
🇬🇷 F-16C/D Block 72 VIPER
🇬🇷 Rafale EG/DG (Might be PESA iirc)
🇬🇷 F-35A (Not delivered yet and too early)
🇸🇬 F-16D Block 52+ (Literally a Sufa with AESA, has same Israeli-made MAWS as Sufa)
🇸🇬 F-15SG (No Israeli connection iirc, but it was leaked so worth mentioning)
🇨🇴 Kfir C.10 Block 60 with I-Derby ER addition (not researchable, and would be much less capable then other ESA equipped top tier jets, this is hardly a solution honestly)
Might have gotten a name or designation slightly wrong I’m tired but that’s the list we’re working with. Also worth mentioning there’s talks about modernizing the F-16s (IAF F-16C/D Block 40 Barak II and IAF F-16I Block 52+ Sufa) to Block 70 standards. Unlikely to happen until the F-15 fleet is upgraded as well.
Basically Israel is at its peak, for now. In the coming years the F-35I will be viable, and the F-15I+, F-15IA, Possibly upgraded F-16s, and AH-64E can come to the tree. Israel just has to receive them IRL first. Adding them fictionally isn’t really possible, as not only can we not predict what they’ll look like aesthetically or the modifications Israel is likely to make to them, but there’s also the chance plans fall through and these aircraft never come to be.
Honestly quite crazy that we’ve even come to this point already where we’re about a year or a little more out from 5th gen’s, and that Israel has literally pretty much reached the end of its air TT.
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Wrong of you to say that the F-15SG has no connection with israel, let me inform you that all the electronic warfare suit + the CM system + MAWS its of israeli origin, the EPAWS system and its sensors are mounted on the F-15SG + the CM dispensers are of israeli origin too, avionics are also of israeli origin. you need to do a little bit of research before confirming something that its wrong.
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They’re just AN/ALE-45 dispensers, American made. They may have been applied to Israeli F-15Is as well, but that doesn’t make it Israeli as I don’t believe the modification was directly made by the IAF but rather a adjustment to the airframe made before delivery following a request for such.
May I ask what it has and what it entails? I haven’t looked too hard but I’m unaware of what systems it incorporates, or of their origin. (Specifically the RWR and any jamming systems).
Question, can you visually identify their mounting points for me? I can see the rear ones, but I don’t see any forward facing ones (perhaps it lacks them idk).
More importantly are you sure they’re of Israeli origin? I can ask a guy well versed in them to check if you’re unsure, wouldn’t surprise me given the Israeli ones present on the F-16Ds but it just isn’t something I’d heard of as being Israeli until today.
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Whilst aesa is off the table for Israel, They do still have the Python 4 to add, which is worse then all the other GEN5 IR missiles (and, python 5 would be in that class) but still better then all the current IR missiles ingame.
I genuinely think this could be the solution to giving Israel indigenously build technology that would let them go against the current and upcoming 14.3 roster. This could definetly be added the the F16I sufa and bump it to 14.3 just to give the israels a chance against the new jets
Otherwise, like always, they get left behind
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the Python-4 needs to be added at this point and the Ra´am, Sufa, Baz Meshupar, F-16C Barak II Blk 40 should recive it and get their respective BRs adjusted.
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I was a little curious too cuz i didn’t know the f15sg got some Israeli components but apparently it did according to these two articles
“It was also reported that F-15SG was fitted with Israel electronics & self defense system.”
“reportedly an Israeli-supplied electronic warfare system.”
Now idk what system tho
But take this with a pinch of salt cuz these articles are old and they don’t have the specifics model of the “Israeli components”
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F15QA and SG are manufactured entirely by america they are what the EX-II is based off of so next no involvment by israel
if this article is right EW may be made by them but i highly doubt it as it would be weird to ship one component to america instead of just using a american system
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Why not adding David Sling and Arrow 3, while waiting for the F-35i? ;-)
AESA not giving a single advantage besides a bit better scan speed.
It still constantly looses the lock/track, showing you ghost tracks etc. etc. due to placeholder radar mechanic.
Lol no.
ESA radars in game update found TWS contacts pretty much real time as long as target(s) stay within gimbal limit, both horizontal and vertical, regardless where “scan area” is. Radar is also immune to aircraft rolling, which frequently confuses mechanical radars as their store target coordinates relative to the aircraft.
Where ESA really shines is when paired with manual target selection, so you can counteract usual “radar confusion” moment when TWS tracked contact launches missile, which frequently makes radar prioritize missile instead aircraft. Frequency of scanning also makes ESA radars very reliable at detecting incoming missiles, so you can intercept them when you have missiles to spare (Su30SM or upcoming Superhorny)
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Davids sling has imo the most likely chance to be added given it would be easy copy paste for gaijin with another nation.
Won’t solve the topic this thread adressed
Excuse me for my ignorance but why the Greek vehicle would end in the Israel tree?
To my knowledge the only “Greek” vehicle in game is in the American tree (ah-64) and to some extent the 2000-5 when it is equipped with magic missile on the super 530d wing pylon
Gaijin has stated it’s the most compatible subtree they can add, it ticks every one of israel’s problems off which would be great, and would sustain the tree a bit throughout the mid tiers and future top tier additions.
The Rafale for example is an amazing candidate for a top tier subtree vehicle, while the 2a6HEL and numerous IFVs/SAMs (from cyprus too) are just a net positive for the tree.
Cherry on top is that no-one else particularly suits a Greek subtree, and the ‘Mediterranean’ or ‘greco-iberian’ independent trees, as some have suggested are impractical, unfeasible and generally pretty mediocre suggestions
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Well based on the material I would say that it has more link and reasons to be in US, Germany or France tree (based on latest procurement: naval, Philoctetes vbci and rafales) but I’m not Gaining so…
Literally none of those trees have any newd for a subtree, let alone the things greece offers (top tier jets and light tanks)
They are leaked F15SG from Singapore into Israel Tech Tree, so WEN WE CAN SEE F15SG? NOW IS SWEDEN AND ISRAEL ONLY DONT HAVE AESA JET