Since we have the SepV3, SepV2 with Trophy APS, as well as the T-90M with Arena APS, why not give Germany one? It hasnt had a ground update in a while, besides the Hummel, and Leopard 2A7V is a good tank, but compared to other tanks, it somewhat struggles
Leopard 2A8, not the Leopard 2A7A1.
The latter is simply worse than the existing Leopard 2A7V.
It’s the best tank in the entire game together with the Strv 122’s.
Please, let’s not act as though the 2A7V ‘‘struggles’’.
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Didn’t even use a photo of the 2a7a1🥀 and it’s probably coming
Best tank in the game - struggles
There’s no need to rush right into 2a8. And German top tier needs actually tanks and lineups 2a7a1 is perfect for that along with a few other options.
Adding the 2a8 currently would just make the current issues with German top tier even worse
Leopard 2A8 is just a Leopard 2A7V with Trophy as far as War Thunder goes.
Sweden has three 2A7V counterparts, there’s absolutely no reason Germany couldn’t get it’s second.
First it’s not even arena it’s trophy and no 2a8 has received more armour and likely would come with newer ammos
They don’t have 1 actually counterpart lmao the 122s are only better in armour a actual 2a7V counterpart is the 2a7HU or in Sweden it would be the 123A
The reason is balance. There’s pretty much no country with a tank equal to 2a8 currently your talking about adding a insane tank without fixing the issues in Germany what is the lack of mbts. The 2a8 wouldn’t solve that issue, it would make it so much worse
High tier content for the next one year and a half will be Daniel and Cool Daniel situation. T-90M and T-90M (Arena-M) are examples, M1A2 Abrams and M1A2 Abrams (Trophy-HV) as well , the pinacle of content.
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I know, I’m cooking dinner right now so I’m hastily replying in the brief pauses.
Like I said: As far as War Thunder goes. Even if the real counterpart features armour improvements, Gaijin will not model them just like they have not modeled them on the Strv 122B+ or even the 2A7V, it’ll just be a 2A7V copy/paste armour -wise.
Ammunition isn’t guaranteed in War Thunder given that it’s used as a balancing tool. Even if they were to provide newer types, DM63 and DM73 are just DM53 with improvements that aren’t relevant to War Thunder. They’d just be DM53 copies.
And top speed.
Strv 122’s aren’t nerfed in regards to their gear ratios.
There’s no balance concerns whatsoever, because the 2A7V isn’t game breaking either and as I’ve already explained: The 2A8 would just be a 2A7V copy with Trophy APS.
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Just say your clueless it’s okay. Dm73 would be about 8% better or so that makes dm73 up to like 700+mm of pen and actually giving dm53 it’s anti era capabilities
Yet it kinda was 2a7V even after 3 years is the best tank and what everyone compares xyz tank too. Adding 2a8 makes this balance gap even bigger
Most likely not due to visible improvements in armour and the fact we have now seen odaeon mounted on 2a8. AND YOUR MISSING THE WHOLE ISSUE IN GERMANY. We have 1 real 12.7 why would you want to add something that would realistically be much higher when in reality Germany needs things like 2a6EX 2a7+ and 2a7a1 before 2a8 is even considered.
Even if gajin does just copy and paste the armour of 2a7V your still making the best tank even better
Improvements in armor which should already be present on in-game 2A7V (D-Tech) - ODAEON has not even been tested yet and except APS and LWS, there is nothing that would make the 2A8 any more special or even game breaking than 2A7V - lets also not ignore Swedish Strv 122Bs, which are rather widely considered the best Leopards currently in-game, with multiple in a line up, not just one.
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I didn’t yet say tested because we haven’t seen it like that I said mounted
I’m just coping with the next update they’ll add d tech armour although I don’t think it’ll happen because they’ve forgotten about the leopard 2DM rework
Exactly where my issues are the 2a8 is cool but it’s addition would just make the German top tier the same but instead off 1 very strong MBT you get 2 and then 2 dressed up 12.3s. we need actually lineups not just another 2a7V situation
Unlike DM53, DM63 has new SCDB propellant. Tests showed they’re insensitive to beattlefield stress. Have been subjected to heat jets, fuel fires and kinetic force. It doesn’t explode. I could imagine a tank immune to fatal ammo detonations would be nice in WT. As long as you just load darts at least.
DM73 has more propellant. The L55A1 gun + DM73 > up to 10% more penetration than DM53 or 63. Should be over 700mm pen in WT. Ofc also coated propellant like DM63.
For me this sounds quite nice. Leopard 2A7 with DM73 + A1 modification … whynot? Germany just has one top tier worthy tank anyways. Look how many Strv’s and Abrams Sep’s drive around. Time for more uparmored Leopards 2.
Then how is it even relevant in first place?
Reallisticly 2A8 will be the same BR as 2A7V, its not a T-90M / T-14 or 2A5 / 2A7V situation.
That may be your view with a fair point, but many will agree that Germany needs an at least equally new Leopard, compared with other Nations additions, especially after two years of basically nothing, while most other Nations got upgrades lately, but also wide selection of line ups.
Sigh…
I’ll just ignore this (ironic) insult for now and address your arguments:
DM53 has a muzzle velocity of 1750 m/s, DM73 has a muzzle velocity of 1780 m/s.
All of these APFSDS rounds are placed into a simplified armour penetration calculator by Gaijin, you can use this calculator yourself and you’ll notice a mere 8mm improvement in penetration.
Improvements in material are irrelevant as Gaijin has already denied modeling these things for many other projectiles, including DM53.
Anti-ERA capabilities are irrelevant as Gaijin has already stated they will not model them for DM53.
You can shout and claim ‘‘700mm+ of pen’’ all you want, it doesn’t change the fact that that’s not how Gaijin models these things.
It’s the (shared) best, but only by a small margin.
The SEP, SEP v3 and Trophy-HV are extremely closely matched, the 2A7HU is a near copy and the Strv 122’s are arguably slightly superior.
Like I have explained before, Sweden has had three 2A7V counterparts (Doesn’t matter if you disagree with that based on historical reasons, it’s just a fact) for years now, which means there’s no reason why Germany couldn’t get a second one.
You’re a broken record at this point, I’ve already addressed these arguments.
The Strv 122B+ is plainly and concretely stated to have improved composite armour (in primary sources) relative to the Strv 122A, Gaijin has chosen not to model that.
There’s absolutely no reason to think that Gaijin will model armour improvements for the Leopard 2A8 when they haven’t even modeled the 2A7V properly, let alone modeled the 122B+ improvements.
Only against ATGM’s and shaped charge threats, which quite a number of countries now already have appropriate counterparts to, I.E., T-90M Arena, Merkava Mk.4M, Black Night, M1A2 SEP v2 Trophy-HV, etc.
Don’t strawman me.
I never said those cannot be implemented. I said that the 2A8 should be priority, these things are not mutually exclusive and multiple German Leopard 2 variants can be added at once just like the Trophy-HV and SEP v3 have been.
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Yea unfortunately I don’t see them actually doing any type of decompression
Isn’t the 2a7a1 newer then the sep V2 abrams trophy and newer then sep v3 lmao idk about the t90 arena but I do kinda get it but I just feel it’s silly to rush into a tank literally just made
There’s still quite a few in the same situation like Germany, Italy and Israel for example only have 1 12.7 and both need lineups way more then their newest and most advanced tank
Are you willing to bet on Gaijin modeling that?
I would, and I’d bet on that being a solid ‘No’.
It doesn’t, it’s got 8mm more penetration than DM53 because Gaijin works with a universal penetration calculator, and the only difference is a 30 m/s improvement in muzzle velocity as far as War Thunder goes.
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Newer or older has never played a role, but capabilities, in which the 2A7A1 is clearly worse than both new Abrams and (in therms of ballistic protection) still worse than 2A7V.
Yet there is Germany, stuck with one good top tier ever since over two years and no worthy back up, while Sweden has a 2A7V basically three times in one lineup.
Also funny enough Sweden could get another two right away…
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And that was scummy by gajin and something that should never of happened hopefully something changes with actually uparmoured and APS leopards next update
But wouldn’t that be silly to rush a tank newly made? You gave out counterarguments to your own argument to not add a further improvement of the Leopard 2, and @Necrons31467 put good arguments that a possible Leopard 2A8 will just have a different name, it will work just as the Leopard 2A7V although a good vehicle to form a line-up is always welcome.
If the 2a7a1 wasn’t just a fancy 2a6 I would a agree. But that’s what it is a 2a6 upgraded to 2a7V spec