I dont see why it cant be both, as is always my opinion on the british/us shared vehicles. We already see tons of this. Look at the shermans and M3 Lee/Grant for ex
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Realistically, the US should get the 37mm prototype. While the British get the 57mm variant they used.
Similar things could be done with other armoured cars:
- US gets T17 Deerhound, British get T17E1 Staghound.
- US gets T17E3, British gets Staghound Mk III.
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Did some reading into this, would be a great vehicle for the UK tree given we actually used it.
Now the damage has already been done I’d just like a C&P of the American one but ideally the US should have gotten the 37mm variant.
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Makes sense to see in the UK tree since they actually used it +1
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Here’s your picture without the watermark.
Video of Boarhound being unloaded at Southampton docks roughly 1 minute and 40 seconds in.
Undergoing trials at Chertsey in Surrey.
In the back, also in Chertsey.
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That last picture is a different turret, could add that one unless that’s the British just slapping a different turret on it?
The vehicle in front with the different turret is a British AEC armoured car.
The Boarhound is tucked away behind and to the left of it.
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Oops some reason they overlapped when I looked at them I see it now
There’s actually another 6-Pdr/57mm Boarhound.
Pilot #2 with 6-Pdr Mk III.
Production vehicle with M1 57mm. Which the in-game model is actually based on.
T18 on right with what was to be the 37mm turret, to my knowledge it looks near identical (or is the) Staghound turret.
So really it could go:
- T18 added to US tree, becomes the US reward vehicle. With a lower BR.
- T18E2 Pilot #2 becomes a British reward vehicle.
- T18E2 (Production) becomes a British vehicle.
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Shouldn’t Pilot #2 be a British event vehicle? It uses an actual 6-pounder as opposed to the M1 so I’d assume that it was created to imagine the vehicle in service with the British-made gun rather than the American one.
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Pilot #2 and the M1 57mm production version were shipped to the UK. All 30 production vehicles saw service (but not combat) with Great Britain.
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Well yes, but the U.S. would have just chosen the M1 over the 6-pounder had they adopted the Boarhound anyways, so surely the 6-pounder version was a prototype created specifically to develop the vehicle for the British if you get what I mean.
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The 57mm M1 is a 6-Pdr, it’s a domestic production Mk V.
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Which would beg the question, why was there a concious decision to fit the 6-pounder to a prototype vehicle as well?
I guess the design process went 37mm M6—>57mm 6-Pdr—>57mm M1, but then why bother arming the second prototype with an earlier cannon of the same calibre if the U.S. already had the M1 in production? I don’t understand it very well.
37mm to 57mm is easy. 37mm just wasn’t cutting it anymore and they needed a better gun.
It’s quite common for prototype/pilot vehicles to be fitted with older, already available, guns simply to test the concept. Firing trials were successful and the concept worked so you fit the newer improved 6-Pdr in production vehicles.
Also, from memory the Boarhound pilot was literally fitted with the mantlet, cradle, and gun from the T7E2 medium tank. Which was already fitted with a Mk III. I’ll attach a source later.
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Yeah I did read about the T7E2, saw the forum suggestion for it.
But I am still conflicted as to whether or not the 6-pounder version should go to the U.S., considering that the vehicle was already chosen for Britain at that point and therefore any prototypes after those orders would also have been developed with the British first and foremost in mind.
I think the British can get a GE premium production vehicle, same as in the American tree, and the 6-pounder pilot as an event vehicle. America can get the 37mm T18 like you said, perhaps as a GE premium so that newcomers can experience a downgraded version that would still be incredibly effective.
Again, M1 is a 6-Pdr. It’s a license built gun with a US designation. It’s identical to the Mk V.
That’s why I’m saying the 37mm pilot should go to the US because it never left the States. Pilot #2 and all 30 production vehicles went to the UK.
We could debate as to why the T14 isn’t in both the US and British tree, because it was built on order for Great Britain and they received one. It just arrived too late to be useful. Locust as well, being in both trees, considering it was built as a replacement for Tetrarch and saw combat with British forces. The gun shouldn’t matter, the history is what matters.
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No.
Next time a reason would be nice.
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