That’s my mistake for not making it clear, but I never said it should stay at 12.0 with a full loadout of AIM-9Ls because that would make it too strong compared to other aircraft in certain situations. On the other hand, limiting it to two wouldn’t exactly be game-breaking and would be limited to the F-4J which would help people with the awful stock grind and also make it standout a little bit compared to that F-4s. As for the extra countermeasures, that’s simply a quality-of-life improvement that would help the aircraft’s survivability.
It is not a suggestion… This is a true fact, unless of course this is supposed to be a draft.
Bootleg posting as a sort
mmm historic weapons for both F-4 and Mig-23 would be great
I say yes to flares, even tho the flight performace would suffer a bit its way better than 60 flares and slightly better airframe
For the 9L i say no, mostly bc it would mean being 12.3 and being honest the f4s/j radar would not be effective at a higher br
I just posted part 3
I honestly think they should go up a BR step already.
That’s just silly. These aircraft would be overtiered at 12.3 with their current missiles. The only way they’d be playable at that battle rating is with the addition of AIM-9Ms and AIM-7Ms. Without those, they’d be completely outclassed, even at their own battle rating (12.3).
The F-4S probably could, yeah, as it’s just a direct upgrade over the J. Personally I’d prefer 9Ls and 12.3 for that. Though honestly having the F-4S be a premium instead of like the F-4N is just a big mistake since it’s the best naval Phantom.
there is no reason, they fit better with their current ordinance for BR and since you only get one in techtree there isn’t a reason to split it. And non “historical capability” means nothing if the aircraft fits its role in BR
Place where i would do it is british phantoms since they are exactly replaceable, just give one of them 9L at random
I already explained why these changes should be implemented, and I also made a solid case for why only the F-4J should receive them. Right now, it’s objectively worse than the F-4S, and these changes would make the miserable stock grind far more bearable.
I’m not opposed to both aircraft receiving AIM-9Ls, but the days of relying on rear-aspect missiles at 12.0 are long gone. They’re outdated. The Phantoms need quality-of-life improvements across the board if they’re going to remain competitive against what they’re facing today.
Gaijin isn’t going to implement changes just because people ask for them. They need historical documentation or well-researched reports pointing them in the right direction, like this: Community Bug Reporting System Without that, suggestions usually get rejected regardless of how much supporting evidence or community backing they have.
Giving these Phantoms two AIM-9Ls would be a modest quality-of-life improvement, just like adding the correct countermeasures and drop tanks. And, by the way, you can’t equip both the drop tanks and the countermeasures at the same time because they use the same wing hardpoints.
I even suggested limiting them to two AIM-9Ls instead of four. Besides, the AIM-9L isn’t an R-73, so there’s no reason to act like this would suddenly make the aircraft overpowered.
Stop hiding behind the usual, “Well… if this gets added, uhhh, it’ll have to move up because, ummm, that’s what Gaijin did to some other overtiered aircraft.” That’s not a real argument because it’s just repeating past balancing mistakes instead of judging the aircraft on its own merits.
Don’t really think AIM-9Ms/7M are needed at all unless the jet goes up .7 or even 1.0.
Okay, now you’ve just lost the plot
Did I? Bumping them up to 12.3 does not need a AIM-7M or 9M. Thats a bit overkill.
The missiles would be doing all the heavy lifting because the airframe would be outdated. The aircraft would have to fight Su-30s, F-2s, and other jets that would absolutely curbstomp it with Fox-3 missile spam.
I’m fine with it staying at 12.0 with the AIM-9L loadout I mentioned, as long as the other neglected jets around the same battle rating get the attention they deserve as well.
If it got the AIM-9L it would have to go up in BR, staying at 12.0 with it is just too much and as I’ve said before I really don’t think going up by .03 in its current state would be a bad thing. It’s already one of the most dominate jets at the BR and iirc it has a positive win and KD which is crazy for a premium jet in one of the most popular nations at a BR that can be tricky for new players says a lot about it.
That may have been true when it was released a couple of years ago, but the game has changed completely since then. You’re talking about the F-4S, and I didn’t really want it to receive AIM-9Ls because the addition of the extra countermeasures already makes it a pretty capable jet, and it completely overshadows the F-4J.
I do have an issue with the full missile load, which is why I suggested giving the F-4J only two AIM-9Ls. The F-4J has a horrible stock grind and doesn’t perform nearly as well as the F-4S. Giving it two AIM-9Ls would help it compete in a rapidly changing environment that’s increasingly dominated by stronger premium aircraft.
As time goes on, you’ll see fewer F-4 Phantoms and more F/A-18s because of the sales, which means even more uptiers. Those two AIM-9Ls would give the F-4J a fighting chance and make the stock grind far more bearable without pushing the aircraft into being overpowered.
Why is this so hard for you to understand?
The solution isn’t to make everything fighting the F-4S suffer it’s to decompress the BRs. Why do you want the make the situation at 11.0 and the surrounding BRs even more unbearable.
For the love of God, please stop and actually read what I’m saying instead of arguing against a straw man. I said the F-4J, not the F-4S. Are you intentionally being this dense? I’m asking for two AIM-9Ls on the F-4J, not four. Holy moly. At this point, I can practically hear your knuckles dragging across the floor.
Sorry, I read the words you posted then replied to them instead of insulting you.
Neither should get a buff as they are still better then what they fight.