That seems to be the case
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And this isn’t DM53 even, I’m using M829A2 here.
Right so Abrams giant lower plate that is almost equal to entire Leopards upper+lower plate doesnt mean anything?
See, now that I’ve called you out on not mentioning things, you finally have started to mention them, now, refer to what I have already posted:
M1s turret ring is its weakspot. Leo 2s hull is its weakspot.
And no, Abrams’s lower isn’t “almost equal”;
It about 1.4 times smaller in terms of coverage.
Sure lets look, which tank does have more exposed turret ring?
Funny thing, they both are pretty exposed in absolute terms as the protection offered by either is non-existent, but the only reason why 2A6s turret ring hasn’t caught on is because it’s not as much visible as M1s.
Which does have Giant lower frontal plate that is almost equal to entire frontal hull
Which it isn’t, refer to the screenshots above.
which tank does have exposed hydraulic pump that is placed in wrong place
Conga line vs hydraulic pump.
which tank doesnt have any spall liner?
M1s, sure, but 2A6s turret side liners aren’t a whole lot relevant, at least not any more than M1s frontal fuel tanks are (but hey, I’m down for you insisting that those spall liners are somehow doing “God’s work”, because then it gives me justification to start mentioning how M1s fuel tanks have saved my ass on many occassions, whereas the same can’t be said about the Leo 2s ;^). )
M1’s right Turret cheeks,
Feel free to guess which is M829A2 and which is DM53.
T72’s/80’s upper frontal plate
Neither has any real chance against T-72s frontal, their chances against T-80(U’s, specifically) is about 50% at all times.
Chally2’s ufp are more suspectible to DM53
Challenged 2’s upper frontal plate is worthy only about ~530 to like ~540mm RHAe KE if we were to ignore volumetric on the edge of adjacent steel plates, neither round has any issue with it.
So its either Leopard significantly lacks its mobility or your claim lacks certain truth.
Or, hear me out, M1s RPMs allow it to keep up very well despite taking up on additional weight, crazy I know. A 66.5 ton 2A7V is only about a whole second slower than the 2A6 when both have their crews aced, why would the 65.4 ton SEPv1, which when spaded has actually slightly more hp, be somehow significantly slower? The M1s are also go-karts at lower speeds compared to pretty much everything that isn’t a Type 10.
Not to mention TUSK kit makes you HE magnet due to additional protection on roof mg, and it makes you to spot easier.
Yes, I’ve noticed, but it’s not like this is anything new or shocking. NATO tanks have always been HE magnets with their CITVs so it’s a moot point if nothing else.
your attitude changes quite fast when someone doesnt agree with you on leopards or Abrams.
Because it’s one thing when you state that M1s are worse than the 2A7V, and another when all of the sudden 2A6 becomes the second-best MBT model in the game right after the up-armored Leo 2s, cause it has been “dethroned” from that position by the SEPs long time ago.
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The point of M829A3 was to have something that could take out tanks at longer ranges without relying on pure brute force.
I’m not going to list all types of ERA that NATO has, my dude. I already just said Russian and Chinese ERA, idk how it’s hard to understand what I mean.
You do realize pump location is completely wrong on Abrams series right? it should be on engine deck not hull.
Dont put my words into my word, i’ve never said they are ‘‘Gods Work’’ i just said they work when they needed, which is much better than not having it.
You know that i was talking about certain degrees, no need these kind of games.
I’ve never said Leo2A6’s are the second best tanks right after armored Leo2’s, i just claimed its better than M1A2’s in my eyes(Except SEPV1), to me Second best tanks always changes to my current mood, sometimes Leclerc’s are better sometimes Leo2’s and sometimes even M1A2’s.
Extremely rare image of soviet nuclear testing on tanks (colorized)
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Those certain angles are the same for both. M1s turret either stops both, or not. The practical difference in the weakspot size in the M1s turret against either can only be differentiated by counting pixels, really.
Dont put my words into my word, i’ve never said they are ‘‘Gods Work’’ i just said they work when they needed, which is much better than not having it.
I’m not, it’s simply an expression which you are reading too much into.
You do realize pump location is completely wrong on Abrams series right? it should be on engine deck not hull.
That’s very cool, you missed the joke there.
I’ve never said Leo2A6’s are the second best tanks right after armored Leo2’s
I never said that you do so explicitly, but, the implication was there, regardless of whether you really meant it or nah (cause, y’know, you very clearly declared that 2A6 is better than the M1A2 series ‘overall’, if that is not an implication then I dunno what else could have been…).
And that makes Leo2a6 second best tank? According to other people best tank list changes a lot, some people prefers reload and mobility over firepower and armor thus they value Type-10’s and Leclerc’s more than Leopards and some do opposite, that doesnt mean Leo2A6 becomes second best tank.
Forgive me if i just simply missed your genius joke right after your hostile behaviour, maybe try more friendly apporach so people can utilize your jokes more?
Anyway it seems your hostility still on and as long as it stays that way this conversation will stay away from bein productive.
Oh I dunno, maybe being declared to be superior to the M1A2s, which aside from up-armored Leo 2s, are the next on the list for being the most meta MBTs because of their combination of firepower, armor, mobility, gun-handling, and survivability?
Subjective preferences aside, of course, because I am not interested in whether some guy somewhere considers a one hit wonder MBT to be “better” because it suits his playstyle more.
Anyway it seems your hostility still on and as long as it stays that way this conversation will stay away from bein productive.
Alright, we’re done here then.
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According to your personal opinion, not everyone agrees with that claim.
Sure,ıf you cant stop bein hostile we’re done then.
If you bothered to use the bloody protection analysis tool correctly you’d not be peddling this load of dingo’s kidneys.
It’s really bloody simple to do, you don’t cherrypick a screenshot and zoom the camera all the way out, instead of having it right next to the tank.
Entertain me, lets see how you “utilize” the analysis tool correctly.
It’s really bloody simple to do, you don’t cherrypick a screenshot and zoom the camera all the way out, instead of having it right next to the tank.
Alright, I see you haven’t changed in the slightest and still continue to peddle nonsense.
That’s a laugh, alright.
I’ll teach you how to use the tools in game correctly, with glee.
Give me 30 minutes to record and upload a motion picture, because it’s actually going to be representative of reality instead of whatever you see through your blinders.
Bad.
Go on, I’m waiting.
Give me 30 minutes to record and upload a motion picture, because it’s actually going to be representative of reality instead of whatever you see through your blinders.
Bro is going to record a video of him checking every nook and cranny just so he can find the few pixels where DM53 can perforate M1A2s turret but M829A2 can’t, actually hysterical, anyways;
Lmao.
You are, quite literally, the most adorable little liar I have ever seen on this forum.
Look at that, only takes ~10 degrees of angle off center to lolpen abrams turret at 1km while leopard 2A6 turret is both immune and symmetrical in protection to both sides at even worse angles!
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Jokes about pixel scumming
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Proceeds to pixel scum on his own pictures which obviously show penetration on a majority of the cheeks.
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M829a2 doesnt pen K5 under 1.5km, 1000s of hours of footage of anybody playing the abrams in game could prove you wrong