I’m wondering if Gaijin plans to accurately represent the armor composition and protection levels of the Abrams series in the game. Right now the tank feels extremely weak, and I keep getting one-shotted almost every match. Has there been any official information or are there any upcoming changes to improve its armor modeling?
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The armor, except for the turret-ring, is mostly accurate for now. Turret ring should be ~200mm last I checked.
That is every mbt.
With how easy it is to aim, people will hit a mbt’s “self destruct” button almost everytime.
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not really,
hull front is absolutely inaccurate as there are multiple sources confirming that it has been changed since the original production run of M1 tanks
and turret cheeks and sides are also likely inaccurate on the later abrams, as the current implementation has copied armor values of an early export M1A2 armor package, again despite many sources proving both areas have been upgraded and the fact that said armor package was worse than domestic armor packages at the time
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I’ve seen so much conflicting evidence about this I have no idea what to believe now.
Wouldn’t change anything in terms of interactions no?
gaijins statement on that not being true was disproven the same day they made it through sources on suspension upgrades in this report Community Bug Reporting System
and even a lot of the sources for improved hull armor in the comments of this report (that was closed because of that statement) also mention suspension upgrades Community Bug Reporting System
turret side probably would help against autocannons, and turret cheeks would help if multiple people are shooting at you because right now your turret face only protects against DM53 in a 30-40 degree arc
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I mean, Abrams turret side flat on is already ~195mm, the most powerful autocannon you face (2S38) already struggles very heavily.
As for this, I guess, but I have genuinely never had a problem with this. I was expecting stuff like the 292.
only over the crew compartment, over the ammo is very weak, and would benefit even more from composite buffs because it has thicker composite (with a much thinner backing plate)
people dont go for it too much but they very much can still pen, it also gets a lot worse if they have even a small elevation difference above you
strong side
weak side
Almost all of armor is properly modeled in war thunder, the Abrams isn’t an exception. The armor is proper, some say the turret ring isn’t accurate, but it’s possible for rounds to slip through, it’s just not difficult in real life due to gunner sight parallax and range.
I see, but for the most part we could say its accurate aside from the turret ring in terms of interactions. Hull is a can of worms.
yeah turret cheeks and sides wouldnt change too much, just get kinda annoyed when people act like every US tank has the same protection as an export tank from the early 90s
and yeah is a problem, and idk why gaijin havent done anything about it when they were screwing around with the abrams damage model to add the stupid basket and hydraulic pump
more so now that gaijin put out a stupid statement that they didnt properly research, and used it to shut down any changes to the hull armor, despite it being proven wrong within a day of them posting it
and again should have buffed it when they were playing around with the damage model
America getting a giga down tier during desert storm made people think abrams is invincible against actual modern rounds lmao
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As much of a meme this is, i have had a person unironically say that because the abrams could block t62 rounds, it can block all russian rounds.
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That dose not necessarily prove increased protection, DU also dose not provide any increase in single hit protection over the lighter tungsten alloy, in fact it provides slightly less (about 1%). What it dose do however is weaken less with successive hits. So the armour package on the Australian Abrams that uses tungsten alloy in place of DU will survive any 1st hit the USA one will, but after that its armour is more degraded and successive hits become more likely to penetrate.
Now that’s not to say that the Abrams armour was not improved, but you cannot simply assume that increased weight means increased single shot protection.
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Average abrams player truly are the equivalent of your average ‘but muh michael wittman’ tiger player lmfao
it doesnt need to
the sources that say improved protection were thrown out by gaijin due to the false claim of the suspension not being upgraded
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Closer to 322mm, unfortunately I can’t share the source on that as I’m uncertain if it’s approved for release.
Care to share these sources?
Once again, sources?
We know that the SEP introduced improved turret side protection against shaped charge threats, but this isn’t particularly important in War Thunder’s meta, and most players that claim the Abrams is underperforming are usually referring to KE protection.
If I claim bigfoot doesn’t exist because we’ve never seen his offspring, you can clearly poke holes in that reasoning.
But being able to poke holes in that argument doesn’t automatically prove bigfoot exists.
Gaijin’s arguments were bad, but that doesn’t prove the hull was improved.
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They faced t72m’s which were modern soviet design for the time and considered equal to m1a1… Don 't forget the marines also fielded M60a1’s and a3’s…with a win loss of around 72:1…even against (supposedly) superior t72’s. This should have been the end of russian propaganda as far as equipment, but no we have more modern examples now.
Cough
1973: T-72 Ural.
1975: T-72 Ural-1: Laser rangefinders, new side skirts.
1979: T-72A/T-72M-1: New composites, new smoke discharging system, etc. ← Iraqi’s used this.
1984: T-72B '84: New turret, new composites, new engine, etc.
1985: T-72B(1) '85: New fire control system, new armament, etc.
1989: T-72B '89: New ERA.
1990: T-72B '90: New meteorological mast.
1967: 3BM-9 APFSDS. ← Iraqi’s used this.
1972: 3BM-15 APFSDS. ← Iraqi’s used this.
1977: 2BM-22 APFSDS.
1983: 3BM-26 APFSDS.
1985: 3BM-32 APFSDS.
1986: 3BM-42 APFSDS.
1991: 3BM-46 APFSDS.
Now are you sure you want to argue that the Iraqi’s had ‘‘modern’’ T-72’s in use by early 1991?
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Negative. The Iraqi republican guard had several units equipped with the “Lion of Babylon” upgrade. Some were built/some were upgraded. They were considered formidable and modern for Desert Storm. The Guard were considered seasoned fighters from the Iran/Iraq war. Of course they got export rounds, but those two rounds are not poor performing for that time…check Gaijins stats…on par with 774/775. They also had 3bm-17…you didn’t mention.