To my knowledge, all the equipment for the turret’s actuation is more or less on top of the turret ring/drive
You’ve been misinformed, the central parts of the horizontal drive aren’t actually included in the damage model but both the top and bottom cylinders of said horizontal drive is, this makes it so regardless of where you aim you’ll likely destroy it as it takes little to no shrapnel to destroy the horizontal drive.
This is also excluding the hydraulic pump which itself is like a 30 second repair with max crew aced, this is nothing short of ridiculous.
That was my friend lmao, I don’t have mic activated for medal - I got a ton of experience, I’m not missing a frontal lobe.
I was not referring to the shoddy yank toys. I am referring to the actuation of a t series tank. I am aware of how turret baskets and associated drives have been modeled on the leopards and abrams.
There was no review retaliation regarding the T-90M’s spall liner, yet the first vehicle to recieve this feature, eventually it was changed as a one-life-module and subsequently added to other vehicles like the Strv 122A and its variations.
How about removing all the modules and reverting to the pre-2023 configuration so our tank doesn’t get disabled by a gust of wind? that’s including no autoloader modules.
It’s hard to say whether it was “I just used 3BM60 to directly hit the front of a Leopard 2 tank and took away its gunner and driver, but he killed me using Hunt/Kill Fire Control System” or “I just used M829A2 to attack the side of a T-series tank wrapped in Relikt, but nothing happened after piercing through”. Which of these two situations has a higher probability of happening
Anyway, no matter what, changes will never satisfy anyone:)
Okay, so, this is hypothetical, so, you shoot my T-80’s LFP, dead center, driver KO, Autoloader KO, ammo KO, minimum 1 turret crew KO.
I shoot your Abrams, per say, dead center, driver KO, diver eats said dart and causes no spalling;
We hit a crossroads, either:
It passes clear through with no spall and kills your engine
It passes clear through, killing some turret crew
It kills your horizontal drive
You have better survivability, no matter what, the T-Tanks are packed like a frickin clown car, or sardines is better considering their poor armor profile.
I guess you missed his statement that 0.3 BR difference does not matter, while throwing an absolute hissy fit in a parallel thread because two vehicles are at the same BR, and latter one should drop for “balance”.
It passes clear through with no spall and kills your engine
I hope you do realise that the hitbox for the engine of the Abrams is incredibly high? This makes it so you can lose both your horizontal and engine at the same time, and most likely all your crew as well.
Your example doesn’t take into account the fact that all T-80 variants have superior armour to the M1 excluding the T-80B and maybe the T-80UD as well.
Russian vehicles have no module equivalent to the hydraulic pump which bare in mind is a 30 second repair with max crew skill.
You have better survivability, no matter what, the T-Tanks are packed like a frickin clown car
Tell me you haven’t played the M1 without telling me… Gameplay is literally you constantly losing your horizontal lmao
The T-80 uses a Hydraulic generator for its Vertical and horizontal traverse, specifically the 2E28M2 generator, in the left hand side of the hull where ammo is stowed behind the fuel tanks.
Visible here in this diagram, the hydraulic stabilizer and traverse generator drive is clearly shown to the lower left segment of the turret, which left of it in the hull is the amplidyne generator, visible in the next image.
Next is the system outside of the vehicle.
The drive in and of itself is in the turret, the generator system is in the hull; in short, the T-80 doesn’t have a turret basket, but it does lack a hydraulic system in the damage model.
All specific details and images come from Tankograd, if you’d like the link I’d happily supply it. As well as another segment on the T-72 if you’d like some in depth on it as well, however, you may not find it as appealing of a ‘nerf’ to it compared to the T-80.
@Fluffy_Bucketles do you think that’s good enough evidence to get them to stop whining about turret baskets enough to get them to big report missing modules on the T-Tanks.
Aye, cheers. Forgot it was down there as I hadn’t looked into t series tanks in a while (as I said), but that should provide them adequate information to report it if they’re so inclined.
It’s kind of weird, the booster/generator is in the hull but the drive itself is in the turret, compared on the T-72 where the drive is actually in the hull, because it’s electrically powered. =P
ok So basically the T72 family dosen’t have the turret basket not like the T-64s and T-80s
ChatGPT:
Good question — here’s the breakdown:
🔧 If you knock out the T-72’s autoloader:
Turret rotation will still work.
The autoloader and turret rotation are separate systems.
What happens if you destroy the autoloader?
Effect
Outcome
Autoloader mechanism damaged
Gun can’t load automatically (and there’s no manual backup), so the tank can’t fire effectively.
Turret rotation system intact
The turret can still rotate using manual or electric drive.
Crew response
The crew can still aim, scan, and rotate the turret, but they’re basically a gun platform with no way to shoot.
🧠 Additional Notes:
There is no manual loading option in the T‑72 if the autoloader breaks.
Unlike some Western tanks, the T‑72 is heavily dependent on its autoloader to fire.
The carousel sits on the turret floor — damaging it often leads to ammo detonation, which is what usually knocks out the tank entirely.
So in summary: Yes, the turret will still spin even if the autoloader is destroyed. But, the tank becomes combat ineffective because it can’t load the gun.
