For the love of god actually go back on this
The Dutch armed forces are literally integrated into the Bundeswehr, on that alone the French should not be getting these. (Edit: They arent integrated into the Bundeswehr entirely, just some 3 armored divisions, my bad)
If that isn’t enough of a reason, adding them would make Germany genuinely worthless to play in ground.
The only thing Germany would have at that point would be the 2A7, but since the Dutch bought 2A8s that wont even last for long. You already have to deal with having shitty CAS (except the UHT which is a pain in the ass to grind anyways) and a mediocre SPAA thats a straight up downgrade from what France and Sweden get.
No other country has had their top tier tanks get added to every other nation, at least with Sweden its understandable and with Italy it was necessary but France does not need these, nor should it just be a better German tech tree (we already have Sweden for that).
Buff the Leclercs, or add some other domestic vehicles? Literally do anything other than giving making it a better German TT.
If yall are going to add the Dutch Leopards then put em where they belong, in the German tech tree.
Amen
given how the dutch leopards are not even special in anyway like the strv122 or even the Hungarian leopard
just complete copy pastes i agree should NOT be done
I’d argue that even if they were unique variants France shouldn’t get them.
Ignoring the fact that the Dutch armed forces are part of the German military, the French have their 4 Leclercs (buff em) and a bunch of light vehicles that would make for good additions.
Sweden literally had nothing else that they could add since Leos are all they use and Italy needed something to justify its miserable existance, but France doesn’t have either excuse.
You know they’ve messed up badly when not even the French want it, just revert this nonsensical change and fix the Leclercs and/or add more cool domestic vehicles like EBCR Jaguar, etc. The Dutch are part of the Bundeswehr and not France smh.
Have you seen some of them light tanks they got? Shit is cool as fuck and instead they just wanna make it Germany 2
Gaijin when Minor Nation MBT’s are underpowered because Gaijin refuses to bug fix/balance them
- HOW ABOUT A LEOPARD?
To be fair Italy was doomed to suck without non-domestic MBTs, dudes cant design shit.
Not a fan either. As we now have 2 patches in a row with only Dutch additions to the French ground tree, I strongly feel they are getting in the way of the numerous and much more interesting domestic French designs.
The French tree did not need this. Also I’m starting to dislike how subtrees are handled in general.
We could have got Leclerc UAE on the AMX-40 line; an export tank for the export line.
We could have got Leclerc XLR on the main Leclerc line…
To reinforce either line at the top, we could have even got EMBT (2017), EMBT (2022) and Leclerc Evolution…
Or most importantly:
We could have got Leclerc UFP fixes;
We could have got S.2, S.XXI and AZUR turret fixes;
We could have got S.XXI composition fixes…
We could have got the floor fuel tank bulkhead that would make it external and therefore non-lethal…
We could have got acceleration fixes;
We could have got a hyperbar simulation…
You know, the kind of stuff we’ve been asking for years…
But nope.
Lmao no. I disagree with the addition, but that take is awful, you are purposefully ignoring any other unique German stuff, including lower BRs. It’s just incredibly ignorant and shows that you don’t care about the contents of a tree outside a small portion of it.
Germany is a great nation in GRB, and a solid one in ARB, and it will always be worth it to play Germany.
Well, they are clearly talking about 12.0 in this context, since many of us are nearly Top Tier-exclusive players, hahah.
Also despite good Vehicles
5.0-7.7 should be avoided
Because of German Tiger Players (in-game nation becouse japanese and Italian Tigers are doing fine)
No one should even want this, France has vehicles it can get and vehicles it has that need to be improved, this is nonsense.
At this point there are zero reasons to play Germany when everyone else is going to receive Leopards on top of their own vehicles whilst Germany is never going to get anything else.
The Dutch have only integrated three armoured divisions with the respective German ones into the NATO cooperation pact (so not the German army), where only the Leopards 2A5 were leased from the Germans as that was cheaper, the 2A6MA3 are owned by Germany and the Dutch can use them to train and during some NATO operations involving the German 414 batallion. All other heavy armoured equipment is Dutch owned and under Dutch command. The 2A4’s were also fully owned by the Dutch government. The German government and army have no say in how, which and when the Dutch choose to train soldiers, deploy troops and procure equipment.
Other parts of the Dutch armed forces are in cooperation pacts with another nation, namely Belgium:
- Nuclear/Biochemical/Disaster response are a Belgium/Netherlands cooperation.
- Towed artillery training has been a Belgian-Dutch affair since the 1960s, with only a recent split up with only mortar training still being a binational agreement.
- The Dutch Navy is under the BeNeSam (=Belgium & Netherlands Samenwerking/cooperation) admirality. (same uniforms, same ships for some parts and same training as well for some ships). You don’t hear anyone say that the Belgian navy is integrated into the Dutch one either, no?
- The Dutch Air Force shares the BeNeLux airspace, as both Belgium and The Netherlands share the Defence.
The Dutch Army was NOT under command of the German Bundeswehr Please don’t spread this misinformation.
It is a binational cooperation. Both governments and armies can still, and have made, fully independent choices for training, procurement and deployment of troops.
And there could have been far more options, with at least a couple hundred unique variants and vehicles for the Benelux subtree and they chose these ones? The Benelux sub three is getting mishandled.
I like that our Leopards are backing up the French lineup, Leclerc’s are not that great also Germany gains nothing from these vehicles anyway as they’d be copy and paste.
Leclercs aren’t great in WT yeah, but they have a very large amount of issues with them currently. I hope they’ll add some french (or Belgian later maybe) light tanks as well in rank 7 and 8.
These leopard will really upstage the host. Leclerc series is already one of the worst MBT in the game. Now who would play these damned tank? It strengthen a idea that the French tech tree itself is a joke and should be merge with German tech tree.
We already have Sweden as Supreme-Germania,Italian as Pizza-Germania and German. Now we have the french as the inferior-German who taking the cast-off toys.LOL.
No idea how to quote but noted on the Dutch army bit. Ill edit the first post
“Germany is solid in ARB” lmfao, you aren’t being serious.
Top tier vehicles are one of the main reasons why people choose x or y tech tree and I thought it was kinda clear that’s what we are talking about here.
Most people want to get to top tier, its why the fancy top tier Prems sell so well, and if that is your goal then why would you bother with the worst ARB nation (by a hell of a lot) or a ground tree that keeps having its top tanks added to other nations? Why put in so much time getting to 12.0 when other nations offer the same vehicles with better lineups?