About reloading time for T80 variants... @T-80BVM

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Let’s break it down from 10.7 Abrams to Sep V2 since you genuinely think it’s not balanced:

10.7 Abrams:
+Mobility.
+Competitive armor scheme (hull & turret) for its BR.
—105mm Gun/round (pen & postpen).

11.3 M1A1/IPM1
+Mobility (although it starts to take a hit from here).
+Competitive armor scheme (± on hull, but def. on turret) for its BR.
~ Series start to struggle on survivability.

11.7 AIM/Click-Bait/HC/M1A2
+Competitive armor scheme on the turret for its BR.
+KE-W/M829A2 (A2 being the 2nd best penning round in the game).
~Good mobility, but they start to weigh around 62 tons.
—Hull armor is negligible even against decent to good rounds for its BR (3BM46, L26, JM33, etc.)
—50.8mm CHA turret neck against IFVs with 30mm APFSDS like PUMA VJTF and KF-41s

12.0 SEP/SEP V2
+Competitive armor on the turret.
+M829A2.
—Average to subpar mobility
—Same hull armor as 10.7
—50.8mm CHA turret neck against IFVs with 30mm APFSDS like PUMA VJTF and KF-41s

Considering each iteration of Abrams gets on average a new disadvantage to overcome, i think its current 5s reload aced (having to invest actual money or lose your sanity to get it) even sounds unreasonable, given i’ve never aced a single Abrams to get such benefit that can be easily swept away if you take out the loader.

If you’re going to be the soviet-side Alvis, at least elaborate your ragebaits a bit further than just throwing bad takes and basic memes.

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One of the factor is USA mains are the best in da world

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Which can happen pretty easily.

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Soviet mains are found in shock after realizing that the autoloader would have to be filled deterministically from spawn to reload as fast as their dokuments say they can, therefore they would have to know the order of threats they’ll find in battle from the start, and fire/hit the round they need in the precise circumstance.

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At least it is the most expendable crew member from a survivability standpoint.

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It’s just an inherent flaw of the carouselle design, just like how every design has it’s pros and cons.

Carouselle autoladers are extremely compact, but have a varied reload rate and can only have blowout pannels if the turret is crewless.

Casette autoloaders are faster, can have blowout pannels if installed in a bustle and are more simple designs, but take up more space and with older ones each “section” can only carry one type of shell (the Strv 103 should only be able to carry 25 of X, 20 of Y and 5 of Z shells as an example. Modern ones can come around this with digital computers keeping track)

Revolver autoloaders are just like casette but even faster, but take up even more space (Kf 51 can only carry 12 shells in the autoloader in the bustle with the revolver design IIRC).

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Though it is a shame that some tanks lost their reload rate advantage. Looking at the CR2s for this.

Was one of the fastest reloads in game, now its average, Its also been nerfed since then as well and now faces much much stronger tanks.

Its really quite annoying that they use reload rate as a balancing measure and then not balance tanks using reload rates :D

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Or balancing tanks by having their models fixed, but hey, why do the hard work when you can redefine the balance by just tweaking a couple of numbers, its state of the art balancing!

And then switch to new update, new stuff. While sweeping most of existing issues under the carpet.

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I’m pretty sure a lot of M1and Merkava players, for example, would be willing with giving up the 5 second aced reload for actually having their correct armor. I sure would be.

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Exactly. I thought that the BRs were supposed to reflect the vehicle, why artificially (Ahistorically) nerf its reload to balance it.
That is literally why the BRs exist so things can move up or down based on balance.

For example shir 2, its getting L23 , because smin says, “where we want to place it BR wise”
But its not getting access to the L23A1 round which is exactly the same and both have the same service date due to being the same round.

Or the type 10 or leclerc reloads? why theyre so slow compared to IRL , Balance? well if it makes them better move them up in BR.

Dunno why its so stagnant all of a sudden, queue times are the shortest they have ever been

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I dont wanna type 100words so,
T90M
+good UFP
+Gen 3 thermal
+ERA
-no reverse
-no gun depression
-bad mobility
-can lol pen from front
-Less powerful APFSDS (compared to other counterparts)
-7 sec reload
-Auto loader
-large exposed breech
so yeah its kinda hard to play top tire russia.

I’m not taking any sides. I actually wanted to grind Sweden, but they don’t have a 10.3 GE premium tank.

What ragebait? I just asked a question.

draco

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T-80BVM is better, since it is way faster and has more reverse

Not a -, since it love to eat shells

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Your activity in the forum clearly shows you have at the very least a favoritism. Go ragebait someone else.

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Yeah, because I play Ground Russia, and I know it’s not as good as people think and USA mains actually cry more than other nations; everyone knows that.

You’re the one who’s ragebaiting mate.

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Still looks to be stronger than the Ariete, Challenger 2/3, Merkava, Type 90/10 and Chinas top tier tanks (never recall their name).

Also, T-90, bad Mobility… really?

Clearly has never played a Challenger 2

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Yeah, 4 km/h in reverse sounds bad to me.

nope

I was comparing it to the Abrams.

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Yeah, figured.

its much slower, has way less armour and makes the “large exposed breach” on the T-90 look microscopic

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T90 goes 60kmph no? the CR2 goes 59.
but is so much fatter isnt it xD

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In theory, the sheer weight though means you take an age to accelerate and the low torque screws you on any inclines.

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also lose far more in the turns as well BTW dont forget it likes to piss its speed away faster than any other top tier MBT last i checked.

CR2 reload past the first four rounds is also slower than the T90s unless you have aced the crew.

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