i was saying fun in terms a2g, a2a would be pain in the arse, especially against stuff like m2k’s, ej kai’s etc.
Yep…
Air… I really dont know. Even in Sim its hard to place. I think it could manage 11.7 just fine though. In ground… Its a compression issue. Too much is mushed into 11.3 and 11.7 No way Pantsir should be equal to the ADATS for example. If the Pantsir was higher than the A-10 could be a little higher but still be effective (im dreading facing A-10C in full uptiers in my 10.3 britain line-up. No idea how I’ll deal with them in teh Sea Harrier FRS1e or Stormer HVM/AD)
Oh right… Yeah… TIALD is modeled as Gen 1 not Gen 2 like it should be IRL. We are also missing 2x AGM-65s on the outer pylons also they couldnt be bothered to add Paveway IVs this update, so we dont get GPS bombs :(
It use to be good, but you just cant get clsoe enough to things in Sim to really play it anymore. Perhaps I need to give it another go. But waiting for even basic things like its Placeholder MAWS to be fixed first.
my poor F4F phantom at 10.3 might be painful to play soon… hell, even my KWS phantom might be in danger since its absolutely abysmal to dodge aim9m’s in the rear aspect with the phantom, as i have experienced at 13.3 with that in ARB
Phantoms should be fine ish. Just dont be sat in reheat the entire time. You can control the fight well enough. My worry in the Sea Harrier is that im hot no matter what I do and I dont necessarily have the speed to control the fight. Also basically entirely reliant on guns as MAWS will defeat Aim-9L with ease and we still dont have the radar gunsight on the FRS1
Yeah the phantom is even somewhat fun to fly, its just a bitch to dodge aim9m’s in. For any other purpose, the phantom is a very good plane
Right but the r 73 on the su 39 is perfectly fine. People like you are such hypocrites when it comes to US vs USSR vehicles
i dont see thermals being a problem, i’ve flew the kurnass 2000 today which doesnt even have thermals on a evening map, and i did fine.
as for paveway IV’s… well you are not the only one missing out, no gps for germany, no gps for japan, and no gps for france either (besides the belgian f-16’s, as a french main i refuse to say that they are a part of this tech tree), france could have gotten Armement Air-Sol Modulaire or AASM Hammer, which first variants are just clear GPS bombs. But nah.
Kurnass is a super-sonic aircraft with radar and IFF that sits at 12.0
The Harrier Gr7 is a sub-sonic aircraft with no radar or IFF and smokey exhaust that can be seen cross map. Also, due to the absense of a 12.3 bracket, has to be considered to have a 12.7 or 13.0 BR.
Gen 2 Thermals would at a minimum give the Harrier Gr7 an increased ability to VID targets from further away using the Tpod which would at least give it a chance to use the AIm-9Ms in an aspect other than rear.
Though honestly. Harrier Gr7 just needs to be 11.7/12.0 in Sim and not 12.7
Fair point. All though I don’t know if you really going to see much chances to close in to use the 9M on a 10C in sim. But I may be wrong.
If you are hunting enemy aircraft in the A-10C, then you are playing it wrong.
(though you could snipe people on runways with the AGM-65s)
How I imagine it will be used is much like how the earlier A-10s are used. For going for Battlefields, convoys and bases. The GPS guided bombs will be wiping out battlefields with total ease.
But unlike in the A-10A which seem to get attacked with ease. the A-10C should have far better survivability and situational awarness. The MAWS and HMD IFF will allow you to clearly see who and want is around you and if anyone is attacking you and the Aim-9Ms will allow you fire back with far increased potency.
You will still be vulnerable, but not defenceless. The question is going to be whether its too strong at 11.3 or whether 11.7 is better suited for it.
(you also have other things that probably need to move about. Like the Sea Harrier FRS1 should probably be 11.0 not 11.3 and the AV-8B+ might need to be 11.7 and not 11.3. Etc etc)
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I could see it sitting fine at 11.7 but I haven’t flown it yet.
I also noticed Gaijin hasn’t fixxed the AGM-65E2/Ls with the update(annoying they haven’t) which would make it being 11.7 far more justified aswell.
Yep. I think ultimately we just need to wait and see how it performs.
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bro have got graphics set up to see 9m clearly and early enough in SB
12.0 should be where it is at, with the ordnance it carries.
Otherwise Gr 7 should go down. Folk can bitch and moan about the speed of it, but it has plenty the agility to defend itself and score a number of kills even against the more agile threats it would face. Screwed around with it on dev with a mate against aircraft it would face at that bracket and it did fine.
Gr7 needs to go down regardless 12.3 (which actually means 12.7 in sim at the moment) is just insane for something with no radar.
Harrier Gr7 12.3 → 12.0
A-10C 11.3 → 11.7
AV-8B(NA) I think is about right
Sea Harrier FRS1 11.3 → 11.0
or They can go 12.0/12.3 with AIM-9Ms to makes equivalent Harrier GR.7
It could but honestly. The Gr7 sucks at that BR and as much as they suck at the moment, the Gr7 does have luxury of BOL and MAWS.
AV-8B(NA) is much better off with Aim-9Ls and a usable BR, especially as it has no radar like the Gr7.
Im desperately hoping for a Harrier Gr5 to be added as an equal to the AV-8B(NA)
I hold both ought to be 12.0. Having screwed with a10 on dev, it was fine performance wise to engage the threats at the rating. It is slow, but carries plenty of ordnance and the missiles are far excessive for where it is at. The agility is fine for forcing overshoots and gunning down (or using a missile) the muppet.
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I can see arguments for or against 12.0. Honestly. I dont know where it should be. remember US pilots are quite bad.
Id place it at 11.7 and then move it up if and when its needed. I think its always better for something to be under BRed for a few months and playable in that time, than to be over BRed for a few months and be unplayable