hear me out here… take the Black Prince as it is Right now in game, and Make it a Tech Tree vehicle, at 6.0.
Then you take the Premium Black Prince, and rework it into Prototype #3. The one that started the process of being converted over to the Meteor Engine and Merritt Brown Gearbox.
Call the Tech tree one Black Prince No.1. Since that is DIRECTLY what its model after. the Original prototype.
This would make the Black Prince much like the Tiger II, and Tiger II SLA-16. You get a Techtree version with worse mobility, and a Premium that has better mobility.
Though the Meteor Black Prince (AKA Black Prince No.3) should get a few buffs and moved to 6.3, just to be fair. Prototype #3 was different than the other Black Prince Prototypes, It was the ONLY one of the 8 to have the improved hull, with Thickened side armor on the front edge.
it also was the first of them to have a different casting and hardening Method to the turret(that being a Attempt to surface harden the turret face and mantlet), These new Turret castings were far tougher, In testing the British found the Mantlets of these new castings could stop a Panthers Long 75 at 300m. and were capable of stopping long 88s at 500m in post war testings. But were found to be more fragile to repetitive hits. (basically it could use the post war Cast armor modifiers, with better Percentages, and not the War time modifiers that make the armor weaker than it should be)
Make the current BP a Tech tree vehicle, and repalce the Premium with BP No.3
I suggest this because as with the Tiger II SLA-16, there is precedent for the Black Prince getting a Meteor engine, as not only was No.3 started down the path of the Conversion to having the Meteor engine, The Irish managed to squeeze a Meteor into a Churchill MKIV later on. and found it worked quite well, so if the engine fit in the Churchill, it absolutely could have in the Black Prince.
Much like the Tiger II SLA-16, where that vehicle was never specifically built, But the engine was tested in a Jagdtiger, and the plans were there to put the engine in a Tiger II proper.
OH, another thing. BP No.3 from what i can find was the start of them changing the turret roof armor as well, the 38mm slopped plate was replaced with a 50mm plate
I absolutely agree with that, I love the Black Prince but its far too slow for its armour to be slightly above average at its BR. I personally say put it down to 5.7 (your proposed tech tree one) and keep the upgraded one at 6.0
Gaijin is never going to convert a premium vehicle into a tech tree, for several reasons:
While it’s technically in keeping with the ToS, it’s opening a hornet’s nest of legal controversy that they have historically stayed well away from.
Even if said legal shitstorm dies down, it establishes to the paying consumer that Gaijin can take your premium vehicle and remove all the bonuses that you likely bought for it, whenever they want. This could conceivably mean that players who would buy a premium vehicle, decide not to. And that’s not something Gaijin will ever risk.
Even if you give them the new Black Prince as a consolation prize, it’s still not the vehicle they bought, and will play differently. I’d point you to the fracas around the M60A1 DC Ariete for how that approach went.
At best, we can hope for Black Prince No 3 to be introduced as a standalone vehicle later on, but most likely it’d be a battlepass reward. A niche, prototype vehicle that’s also a pseudo-clone of a premium vehicle, meaning they wouldn’t want it to be tech tree to dilute the value of the premium variant.
Id honestly be even more angry if it became a battlepass vehicle or something NGL.
The British already have been screwed out of some of their best tanks by Events and such. See the Centurion Mk2, one of the best tanks in the British Tech tree, locked behind a event, or a Nearly $200 Gaijin market price.
Agreed, but that’s the most likely place to see it. They wouldn’t give it out for free because it would devalue a premium they’re trying to market, but it’s also not really valuable enough to be sold, or offered as a prize for a grind event.
Are you certain that it was even the meteor from a comet? Also the irish got the comet in 1958 which is after this mod
The ones that installed a meteor on a churchill chasis were the british on the FV3902, but it was an m120 not the one from a comet with a new transmission.
The Irish Meteor Churchill is shrouded in alot of Mystery.
But there is no way in HELL, the Churchills transmission would have stood up to the Meteor’s Power. Something had to be changed there, its entirely possible they got hold of a merrit Brown from the Brits.
But that isn’t really important to MY post.
Either way the Irish Stuffed a Rolls Royce 27L v12 in the Churchill.
And the British planned to do the same to the Black Prince, with the Merritt Brown Gearbox from the Centurion.
The point of me bringing that up wasn’t to debate about it, it was to show that the Conversion for the Black Prince had merit, because the Irish managed it in a much smaller engine bay.
Still your hole analogy with the sla doesnt make sense, it wastn a meteor which was the engine “proposed” for the bp and you have no evidence that it was used an already existing transmission. Also the it would likely need a completely different transmission as the irish Churchill due to the much higher mass of the bp
The Black Prince DID have a different Transmission than the Churchill already. It had a 5 speed with 2 reverse gears, AKA the Merritt Brown H 52
Also yes, the Analogy does make sense. because the SLA-16 is a fake tank. they never fitted the SLA-16 engine to a Tiger II. the only vehicle that ever had the engine mounted was the Jagdtiger, There were PLANS to put it in Normal production Tiger IIs. but the war ended before it could happen.
The Black Prince never got the Meteor, but it was planned.
It doesnt, sure the sla is fake, but being tested on the jag makes it compatible with the tiger 2 as they use the same trasmission… this is the part that you seem to keep avoiding.
A Notoriously overloaded transmission that could barely do 50 miles before exploding, But that didn’t matter because they never had that much fuel.
The Black Prince’s had a transmission upgrade, Prototype #1 was originally built with the same 4 speed as the Churchills, but got upgraded to the 5 speed later on. And all other prototypes were built with the 5 speed.
Said 5 speed was also the same EXACT dimensions as the Merrit-Brown Z51R gearbox used in the Centurion. Which would have made it a direct swap over if they ever did the Meteor conversion.
I have seen the actual reports on the Meteor conversion for the Black Prince. The ONLY pain point in the entire project, was the need to lean the engine over slightly, so one of its Valve covers was parallel to the Engine deck, due to the short height of the engine deck.
EVERYTHING else was going be a simple process of just swapping parts over, or just keeping what was already there. The entire engine bay had drawings made. HELL the Black prince in game is MODELED as the Meteor conversion, it has the Conversions Layout for the Radiators and Fuel tanks.
Has there been a direct swap of a meteor engine with a centurion transmission on a churchill, becaus the only one that was proposed was with the cronwell engine/tramission assembly not with any centurion trasnmission? Since english is your fist language im sure that you can answer this.
Again the simil with the tiger is completely moronic as they share the same hull and transmission, none of this is shared on bullshit that youre proposing.
Also can you show me your proof of that the transmissions of the shares the same dimensions because until now you have just been making bogus claims over and over while shifting the goalpost?
