That’s why the F-5C is 10.3.
Mig-19S’s guns are as easy if not easier to aim as they’re wing root mounted.
However, as reminder, MiG-21SMT/MF can go 10.7BR easier because of its performance and counterparts.
When MiG-21SMT/MF cmes in the game, F-4C which was top tier jets in USTT didn’t work as counterpart because R-60 worked as all-aspect missiles for somehow and we didn’t have CMs at that time.
For the first time they served as counterparts to the MiG-21SMT/MF when the F-4E/EJ was implemented in the game. The meta back then, unlike currently, was missing SARH missiles and the MiG-21SMT/MF didn’t have CM pods.
And since the F-4F doesn’t have SARH missiles and, in the current 10.3/10.7BR meta, they are quite close to the F-4E/EJ in the old top-tier meta, and since they once served as each other’s counterpart, the SMT/MF should also have the same BR as the F-4F.
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Its counterparts are all 10.3, that’s the thing.
F-4F is a superior dogfighter to effectively all of the 10.3s.
F-4F rates for reference:
12.8 at 450.
14.8 at 600.
15.6 at 900.
F-5s heat signature is a joke, they’re impossible to lock onto no matter how long you try until you get way closer than you have to with any other jet.
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You mean the counterparts of MiG-21SMT/MF in current meta or late 2019 top tier meta?
I’m sorry but, i don’t think it is “dogfighter” because F-4F can gets wiped by MiG-21SMT/MF on 1v1 duel situation. I don’t know about Mirage IIIE but, F-8E and F-5C, F-1 can outturn F-4Fs.
The only 10.3 aircraft that I can think of off the top of my head that the F-4F can win in a dogfight are the Su-17M2 and F-104J/G.
If a Mig-21MF, the better dogfighter of the two 10.3 Migs, wins against an F-4F, that’s 100% skill.
Cause in an equal-skill match up, F-4F wins 100% of the time.
Only Mig-21Bis itself can go toe-to-toe with F-4F/F-4E, and even then F-4F might have advantage.
And yes, the Mig-21SMT/MF counterparts.
Has been said before really. F5C is capable of solving the global warming issue on its own
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No? It isn’t? We can duel anytime and you’ll go 0/10?
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WHAT? This ENTIRE thread is people telling you you’re wrong and that the F-5 has insanely hard to lock onto engines
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I have an F-5A and an F-4F.
Get in your F-5A/C and F-4F/E.
We’ll swap at 10.
I said F-5 is hard to lock in the front aspect, of which zero people claimed I am wrong.
Not only that, but engine locks are rear-aspect locks.
Front aspect locks are AB plume and airframe heat.
It doesn’t unless you don’t use sim controls lmao
Not sure F-4s can win against MiG-21MF even if you used sims…
F-4F/F-4E has better energy retention but, it is still F-4 and, you basically can’t try counter like that video because MiG-21 can pull so hard and it makes MiGs can stay at F-4s behind.
In rolling scissors situation?
Yes… 99% F-4 lose against MiGs because MiGs has bad energy retention.
Almost the only time an F4 can kill a MiG is by forcing to headon after losing turnfights because you can bring 50:50.
AIm-9L IRL was able to lock onto ships during the Falklands (in part due to the perticuarly cold waters) but they did genuinely consider (and on one perticular sortie, intend) to use Aim-9Ls as a anti-ship missile they were that good at locking onto targets.
But in game it can barely lock onto the exhaust plumes of an F-5 :D
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Weird since I’ve never lost to a Mig-21 non-Bis in the history of flying F-4E and F-4F, partially cause they’re an inferior platform, and probably partially because of skill.
The F-5 is considerably harder to lock in rear aspect compared to other aircraft at that BR.
This is somewhat ancedotal, but I have been able to lock a Mig-23 that was 7km away using 9Js, but I couldn’t do the same thing to an F-5C that was 4500m away.
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No shit, it’s also hard to lock in rear aspect.
This one I have no comment on, because I’ve locked their rear aspect out to and beyond 4km [by accident], cause I only warm up my rear-aspect seekers within 2.4km of all targets, which all aircraft in WT get locked onto in that range.
Oh fuck off you tool. You have died to a MiG-21 before unless you have no games played. Your stats aren’t even GOOD to make this claim.
I never said (and no one else said) that it is impossible to lock, just more difficult when compared to other planes. This is my main complaint because it allows it to flare anything very easily.
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Even as it is my most flown aircraft, i will tell you that it isnt anything special at 10.3. In 2024, it is not even that good honestly. F-8E is better.
Yes, higher exhaust temperature, however the plumes are so small it results in an unrealistically small heat signature, similar to JAS-39.
When you get downtiered, not every aircraft is going to be a MiG-19.
My opinion here: F-5A (CN) had the countermeasures installed IRL, and is the reason F-5A/C (US) have CMs. Chinese F-5A shouls stay 10.7 no changes, while F-5A/C (US) can go to 10.7 with flares, or 10.0 without. F-5E, however, needs to go up. Badly. Absolutely horrible to fight against because it’s an F-5C with near double the thrust, a lead computer and better missiles. Also no reason for F-5E to be same BR as Chinese F-5A unless you want the F-5A with AIM-9P at 10.3.
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You can explain more because I have never played Mirage IIIE before?
I played Mirage IIICJ few times but, in 1v1 duel situation, it is pita for me because of energy retention and engine.