He is really good meme material, I love that guy
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F-111F should have aim-9m but here we are
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I indeed agree, both should receive their well deserved and historical missiles, but at least the F-111F is a really fast boi, but that wouldn’t be a reason for it not having it’s AIM-9Ms
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Tornado Gr1 with 2x Aim-9Ls is already 11.7.
Tornado Gr4 with 2x Aim-9M is already 12.3
Then Su-24 with 4x R-73s is EASILY 12.3 as well.
Its kinda insane you would think the Su-24 would remain at 11.3 with 4x R-73s
Yes but no. The stupid “Su-24M2” modification is a terrible addition, only adding a single GPS bomb when in reality the Su-24M2 is a greatly upgraded aircraft. It’s like if the F-15A had an “F-15C” modification that only added AMRAAMs and Gaijin tried to peddle that as a fair and faithful F-15C MSIP.
I’d very much like to see a proper 12.3 Su-24M2 but it needs to be its own vehicle and not a homunculus of Su-24M and M2 components.
If it’s necessary to go to that BR for it to be a better plane to fly I’m fine with it, although I don’t agree with the tornados being that high of a BR either
What is the upgrades the Su-24M2 modification should get then? It’s like the T-72B3 UBH modification
Whether its got R-60s at 11.3 or R-73s at 12.0-12.3. It is still going to be an Su-24. The Tornado Gr4 is going to be DOA in ARB anyway, and extremely hard aircraft to play in ASB at that BR
The problem is that ARB sucks for anything meant for ground attack. Until we see an RB EC gamemode, I suggest learning to play sim instead. No markers means being sneaky works great, big maps mean you can actually evade the enemy team and actual PvE objectives means you actually have a role. Plus the 11.3 Brakcet is totally and completely dominated by the soviets at the moment and literally no one can do anything about the Mig-23MLD at that BR. So you would have total air superiority every match too.
Increasing the BR will mean you will go from dealing with F-4S with Aim-7Fs to dealing with F-4F ICEs with AMRAAM. Let alone the F-16s, Mig-29s and Su-27s.
Id advocate for a weaker A2A loadout to drop the BR down lower, see about getting it more like 10.7 by replacing the R-60Ms with just R-60s or overhaul ARB to make it better for ground attackers rather than opting for a move that would kill the Su-24 completely. Take it from someone who gave up trying to fight F-16s and Mig-29s in the Tornado Gr1 when its only got 2x Aim-9ls, and back when I use to play it in ARB, no CMs and probably a worse FM than the Su-24. Its not worth it
It would be the case if you actually had only Soviet planes in your team, however nowadays all teams have vehicles from all nations making it so you face the MiG-23MLD yourself in the Su-24… it getting R-60s is out of the question due to the Su-24M never using them, and it would still have faster planes destroying bases before it and yes the best solution would be an AIR-EC mode but that’s way harder than just adding missiles to a jet, it’s a really shitty situation where you need to evaluate what is easiest and within reach to get and not what would be better.
in ARB yes, In Sim no. Sim has nation vs nation matchmaking still. The absolute best that bluefor can throw against the Mig-23MLD in Sim is either the F-4E or FGR2. That is it. That is the absolute worse you wuld face.
Yeah I should play sim, however playing it on my grandma’s old notebook is basically impossible, I don’t have my good PC with me cause I’m staying at my grandparents house for a while, I have to say tho that war thunder runs really well on ULQ on old outdated hardware, it’s one of the reasons I love war thunder even though it can be rough sometimes
Thought only the 24M2 got those?
HMS designator would be cool for sim though.
And we have the Su-24M2 in-game, it’s a modification inside the Su-24M, so technically it should get R-73s when you research that modification
Yeah
New cockpit, new avionics, HMD, Kh-29Es, R-73s, GLONASS weapons including glide bombs, potentially even Kh-38s
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So that modification should change those things, and maybe when you have it on it’s changed the BR upwards, idk this is the most reasonable thing I can think off due to this being one of the only planes with a modification like this
That depends on BR brackets. The Flogger can and does face F-4S/J and whatever british equivalent, and depending on the nation preset it can face Viggen Cs, Ds and Mirage F1s.
Those are 12.0 aircraft
For both the 11.3 and 11.7 brackets, they are uncontested. For the one bracket they face 12.0, then yes, they are actually countered.
But that goes the other way. Those 12.0s are facing mig29s and AMRAAM slinging F4Fs 3/4 of the time and only facing Mig23MLD 1/4 of the time
Ok. Doesn’t change the fact that your “the F4E is the best they face” statement is wrong.
Edit: also, the Viggen C is 11.3 and it is just plain better than the Flogger.
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In a 10.3-11.3 match or 10.7-11.7 match. The absolute best fighters Bluefor can bring to bare are the Phantom FGR2, F-4E or F-5E.
Viggen C is good, but can also appear on the same team as the Mig-23 so no gurantee of success, just pick a lobby where soviets are paired with Sweden if you consider it such a threat. But Viggen C is armed with rear aspect only IR Missiles and is slower than the Mig-23. So just run away. In a turn fight, id guess the Viggen has the advantage but not overwhelming so.
Mig-23MLD has 4x All-aspect IR missiles (one of very few aircraft at that BR that does and most are sub-sonics like the Sea Harrier) and 2x R-24Rs which are the best SARH missile at that bracket by far.
So Mig-23MLD vs F-4E, F-5E and FGR2 is still a pretty one sided fight. If you are choosing to take the Su-24 into 12.0 matches, then that is on you, of course in a full uptier any aircraft would struggle.
The fact the Mig-23MLD has a lower BR than the Tornado IDS is just insane to me personally. Should never have gone down in BR. Should have stayed where it belonged at 11.7.