Magic I isnt good?
Let me guess, it doesnt have IRCCM.
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Let me first state, magic 1s are fantastic and this man is coping.
However, with spading the mirage 3c/e and 5f i have noticed something a little funky with them. Sometimes theyll up and ignore the enemy plane and lead miles ahead of the target all of a sudden, no flares were dropped on my screen or in sensor replay. So they are fantastic but you can have moments where you get screwed by them as 90% of the time your gonna be in a 1 vs 3 (go to help a friendly just for him to ditch you in said 1 vs 3) and missing that one guy with your 35g missile screws you over in the dog fight.
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Sounds bit like what F/M sparrows do tbh.
So probably problem with guidance logic overall rather than specific missile.
It’s probably the proximity delay, it’s hilariously long, like 1.8 seconds
No, they go off course. Most of the time they’ll direct hit the target so the prox delay hasnt really been a problem for me.
I think all mig21 are ok except the mig-21 bison and the j7d.
If the J7E is 11.3, the J7D should clearly be 11.0, the J7D has the best mig-21 FM after the J7E
Imo the magic is a good missile at 10.7, i enjoyed using the magic in the j7d, the problem i have with the magic in the a5c is that the a5c is a brick that barely pulls enough aoa so most of the time people can just avoid having the missile fired at them
oh i know its good. I was grinding the swiss mirage few days ago with SPS-K and french were absolute bane of my existence.
I was more like questioning his assesment of magic I not being good.
okay but the plane still has energy performance comparable to that of MiG-19 as others described above. You might not out-dogfight people but jumping them from high alt and sending magic up their rear still works (worked against me at the very least lol).
and then when you manage to get your nose round to put a missile onto their tails after they’ve BnZed you, they’ll just flare it. Had that happen more than a few times in a lot of different aircraft
Have you ever flown the mig 21 bis? I can and have been able to win against j7e in it. It should not be 11.0. If you think it truly cant face 12.3 jets then you simply havent learnt how to play that br yet. The rwr is probably the ONLy thin i can think a bit lacking by then but it still lets you notch so its a non starter for an argument saying it should be 11.0.
Heres the thing, i have the mig 21 bis lazur and i fucking STOMP in down tiers. Only times i lose is when my team all die leaving me to 1 vs 6 or 7 as half the time theyll just strafe me on the af, not even kill me in the sky. The things a bloody menace and should have never been moved down to 11.0. Same with the mig 21 smt/mf as they are fantastic dog fighters with enough speed to run down most jets at the br meaning anything without flares is dead as soon as one of these guys decided to focus you. And 90% of the time they will as they see you as free kills and most of the players are bad and therefore dont think to kill the actual threats to its team first.
J7d is just a slightly better mf/smt as its as light with a slightly better engine but with more countermeasures, better rwr and FAR better missiles. magics alone could have seen it at 11.0 but the chinese missiles are fantastic. Should it stay at 10.7? i dont know as i havent played it but it does seem a little oppressive for the br.
God, dont get me started on the sps k… My mate has it and the look i give him when he says he doesnt like it as i watch him try and rate fight an f8 or some shit. Whoever allowed that thing bellow 10.0 WITH FLARES is an imbecile. They should take away its ecm pod and move it to 10.0.
Had a game with a guy using it, he had an almost 5.0kd in it and all he brought was 4 r3rs and countermeasures and stayed high. Anyone who went for him he killed in a head on or ran. He had about 2500 games in it btw so that almost 5.0kd is INSANE.
j-7e literally does almost everything better other than high speed acceleration in ONLY a straight line (past like 1000 kph). in a turn fight, j-7e is much closer to an f-16 than a mig 21, it’s not even CLOSE. those j-7e players you’re facing must be lobotomized essentially.
j-7e vs mig-21 bis
j-7e vs something that’s actually comparable (f-16 blk 15, average f-16 fm) although blk 15 still slams it, im just saying just to put into perspective how powerful the j-7e is
IMO it’s much closer to the bis than the smt/mf
i havent flown it but it does seem to be a pretty good dog fighter.
doesnt stop the mig 21 bis going up to 11.3 which is my main point
My argument is that the bis can and will dog fight a j7e, all you have to do is not get into a slow energy fight with it or you will lose. BnZ is obvious but you also have all aspects over it and r3rs which are actually decent at hitting someone trying to energy trap you.
Same can be said for any 12.3 jet. the thing needs to move up.
Arguably even better FM. The J7D is lighter than the bis and has the best sustained turn rate of all the mig-21s after the j7e which is on a class of its own
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The A5C will outdogfight everything in its BR range, actually, except the mig19 itself in full downtiers and the J7E in uptiers
yes
Everyone kills higher-tiered stuff all the time, that doesn’t prove any point you are trying to make.
Ohh wow. In downTIERS? I never thought it was possible to stomp in downtiers. Teach us, master!
The mig21 bis is ok at 11.0, its not even oppressive or fantastic, gets completely outclassed by some jets just 0.3 above it. The problems are mostly due to BR compression when comparing 10.0 to 11.0, or 11.0 to 12.0.
The J7d should also go to 11.0 and act as a side grade of the mig21bis, its essentially a j7e with worse dogfight ability and the j7e is 11.3.
The A-5C is fine where it is. The issue is BR compression.
Does it now? I tried it in test flight and the plane wasnt really turning that well.
And i recall most A-5Cs running away instead of trying to turnfight me.
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