China needs more interesting tanks, and this would be great! +1
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Hell yeah
As a Chinese(and also as a chinese main) would love more chinese tanks
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+1 for another Type 90 that’s not actually Japanese this time.
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isnt this the 2nd prototype?
The P2 had a Perkins Condor 1,200 horsepower diesel engine (used in the successful British Challenger MBT series), a French SESM ESM500 (ala the Le Clerc MBT) and western-based fire-control system.
also this pic is of a different turret
The information I gathered from Chinese internet sources indicates that Prototype No. 3 is equipped with a CV12 engine and ESM500 transmission, while Prototype No. 2 uses a 96DZ engine and LSG3000 transmission. The Ukrainian powerpack configuration was adopted for Prototype No. 4. Regarding the Type 90II’s second prototype using CV12+ESM500, I’ve only encountered this claim on Reddit.
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The photos of the BK1871 and the Type 90-II Prototype No. 2 circulating on the Chinese internet both feature the LSG3000 transmission, resulting in similar exhaust port characteristics. The primary distinction lies in the design of the side skirt armor.
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thats strange… from my own sources
P1 had a German MTU 396 engine with an LSG-3000 transmission with a 125mm gun
P2 had a British Perkins Condor engine of the challenger 2
P3 had a Ukrainian 6TD-II engine
while P4 was supposed to have a 120mm NATO gun but was never made
ill link the sources below in a while
- Jane’s A&A Upgrades 2002
(Janes Armour and Artillery 2002 also repeats the same)
After a lot of research ive come to the conclusion that if Janes is not to be trusted, then the sheer amount of sources of either of the two variations, demands, that for a factual conclusion to be reached, i would have to communicate directly with HIT officials or the relevant members of the AK or Type-90II development team.
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Any update?
I collected two main opinions and discussed them on the Chinese Internet.
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The first statement describes the power configuration of the 90II No. 1 vehicle as 1150 horsepower 96D (MTU8V396) + LSG3000.
No. 2 vehicle is 96DZ + LSG3000.
No. 3 vehicle is British CV12 + French ESM500.
No. 4 vehicle adopts the power configuration from Ukraine.
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The second statement describes the power configuration of the 90II No. 1 vehicle as a domestic 96DZ 1200-horsepower engine (MTU396) + LSG3000.
No. 2 vehicle is equipped with a British CV12 + French ESM500.
No. 3 vehicle has a Ukrainian power configuration.
No. 4 vehicle is planned to be equipped with a 120mm tank gun and MTU871/TCM AVDS-1790 + LSG3000. However, no one has heard that the No. 4 vehicle of the 90-II is to be equipped with a 120mm tank gun, but the power configuration description is the same as the second statement.
A certain Chinese military commentator (invited by media such as Sputnik News Agency and CCTV Military Channel) described in one of his articles a power configuration similar to the second statement, but did not mention the installation of a 120mm tank gun. However, in the article, he also described that the No. 3 prototype of the 90II tank has a non-wedge-shaped explosive reactive armor layout and is equipped with a British CV12 engine.
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yeah even according to my sources, protype of configuration 4 with a NATO 120mm was never made.
so it is more likely that the first set of prototype descriptions is correct?
could it be that pakistan had its own set of 4 prototypes while china had its own set of 4 prototypes?
This is a screenshot from a documentary about China"s military industry. On the left is the BK1871, which as evident from the hull adopts a heavily sloped frontal upper armor configuration and appears to have an upgraded gun barrel. On the right is what is suspected to be the No. 1 prototype, showing a less sloped frontal upper armor layout. The visible markings on its armor suggest the vehicle might be capable of mounting explosive reactive armor (ERA).@Armen Lozone
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Additionally, I notice the tank in this photo exhibits a hull exhaust layout indicating installation of a CV12 engine paired with an ESM500 system, while its side skirt armor configuration differs from ERA-equipped variants.
I wonder would it be called ZTZ-90 or something else to not mix with Japanese Type 90
The official Chinese designation is “90–II” without any prefix such as “Type 90–II” or “T 90–II”.
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the second one also has a bigger exhaust port. 10 slits as compared to 6
It wasn’t adopted to differentiate it from Japan’s Type 90 tank.
At that time, according to the naming convention of tank projects, the suffix “II” represented potential export project. For example, 69II, 79II, 80II, 85IIap.
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+1,The vacancy of the Chinese tech tree at 11.0 BR can be filled.
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