because they are only trash vehicles at 7.3 to 9.3 - unstabilised garbage like the leo 1 / m48 while the enemy can bring their fully stabilised MBTs.
Except for the TAM, Gep, and maybe HOT all German TT ground vehicles between 8.0-9.0 are pretty terrible. In particular there’s nothing with any amount of armour. Germany is also one of three nations without a stabilized 8.0 or 8.3 (or even 8.7 for that matter) MBT which is a pretty big disadvantage.
But it gets better starting with the excellent 9.3 lineup
I don’t use it, but the DF105 is quite formidable to face in the hands of a good player.
Agree about 9.3. Beglite is love; Beglite is life.
Uuuuum no? I bring the clickbait, the a10, xm1 chrystler, the scorpion, jumbo pershing and the locust… So try again last time i checked thats more than 1 tank…
You respawn in those to donate more sp to the enemy team and then drain your team’s ticket? That is not a proper lineup up bro, the minimum would be IPM1 and M1A1 as backups, which technically means you only have one vehicle at 11.7, XM1 could flank and kill but its 9.3 for a reason.
My advice is you should play more games before jumping into top tier as you are not ready yet, having 20 kills to 120 deaths is only a deadweight for the team, don’t expect every match to be carried by good players.
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i find the previous variant way more useful cuz the HOT version is just so badly designed, the turret wont turn more than few degrees horizontally, missile is slow and you have to stop in order to fire so if you get caught in movement you’re screwed lol
it preys on unaware potatos you find in the battlefield but any guy who noticed its presence has advantage over it, for the same reason it’s very unreliable in arcade… the previous version in the other hand has two missile with much better horizontal traversing and you can potentially hit two targets or correct a miss fire, you can also turn around corners for ambush and have the 2 missile ready just in case the tank rushes at you… if it was F&F, HOT would be amazing, incredible even but it’s just so bad, wiesel its only better due to it’s size and top attack missile but thats all
Hmmm… Kinda agree with it. I literally have nothing to pair my turm3.
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Gepard, of course. Tank killa machine. Oh, and:
(Uptiering Raketenautomat)
100%. USA 11.7 is not a BR I would try push myself up to without all the resources available.
The Olifant is uh, very slow, at thirteen and half horsepower per tonne, and with poor gun handling (18 degrees a second horizontal and 4 degrees a second vertical).
The M48A2 has seventeen horsepower per tonne and 24 degrees a second horizontal traverse.
Really though the M48A2 is a (unstablised) M60 analog and should just loose the DM23 and drop down to 8.0, Maybe replace it’s spot in the 8.3 line up with a swiss Pzr 68 or something
I have to admit, I play Britain 8.3 very often, but I never bring that out (even for British tanks it is captain slow). I’d rather bring out the Vickers Mk.3. Though, who plays Britain 8.3 for MBTs, lol. It’s all about the Falcon, ZA-35, ZT3A2.
me Although the Olifant is slow, it’ll bully the hell out of pretty much anything at range, LRF + snappy ADFSDS works wonders at 8.3. It’s my preferred 2nd spawn, though on maps like Sands of Sinai and the fields of x maps its my go to first spawn. (1st spawn - Scimitar/ZT3A2/Vijayanta. 2nd spawn - Olifant/Spaa/warrior)
For sure. I guess for me, I’m really playing that lineup for the Falcon. Small map. Big map. Falcon. Spraying and praying my way across the battlefield. I love how stacked Britain is at 8.3, though. To top things off, the Falcon can penetrate and nuke the Turm IIIs turret from any angle, so it’s just a bad time for Germany all round when facing Britain at that BR.
Gotta have to get used to it until 9.3 where we have the first “fast” mbt khalid in British tech tree lol there is another overlooked one the Chinese ztz59d1 also has dm23 at 8.3 and fully stab, gun handling were so bad though
raises hand
My lineup at 8.3 is Vijayanta, Vickers mk1, Vickers mk3, fox, Strikemaster, ZA-35
Though yeah, I dont take the olifant at all anymore since the upBRing of the Vickers tanks, its rate of fire and turret traverse limitations outweigh having a fin round on a BR where HEAT-FS and APDS are more than enough anyway.
Now as for Germany 8.3, theres a reason I dislike having Germany as an ally from 5.0 up, German players simply do not work effectively in a teamwork environment compared to other nations on average. If I am ever in trouble or mark a position on the map, the least likely faction players to help me are usually German players sadly.
Being German mains is their crime, it is also, their punishment.
I don’t get how one doesn’t take the most up-tier proof vehicle (for Britain 8.3) in ZT3A2. Its ATGM don’t care about BR. Give it a go, you’ll like it. Despite the Ratel chasis.
A meter of pen at 8.3 is wild ngl
Shit’ll go through a 2A7 turret
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its unplayable iam fighting with the leopard 1 with basically no armor for a medium tank + no stabilisor and a gun not even that good. Also the Marders are fine with their missiles but a gun is just way faster then the missiles. the bmp 1 is also not realy good with its worse missiles and a gun with insane bulletdrop. Also the Maus on its 7.7 br gets easily uptiered to 9.0 due to the leopard in my deck and its not good eneugh to play on a uptier because of its low mobility and massive turret and hull. In my opinion the german br system should be reconsidert to make it more playable.
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Honestly I have to call skill issue here, the Leo is perfectly serviceable tank, it’s perfect for plinking at range.
Ridge peak and abuse the ATGM sight, it allows you fire atgms with just the ATGM launcher sticking out.
Firstly the 2nd ATGM, 9M113, is a little better than the Milan 1s the Marders get, with an extra 48m/s of velocity over the Milans. And second, the gun isn’t that bad, works great against light vehicles.
… Why are you bringing the maus to 9.0?! Heavy tanks in general are incredibly susceptible to uptiers, and really shouldn’t be uptiered in lineups at all
It’s some dumb thing that won’t die - people think the ATGMs are still broken like after they made the missile changes. They’re actually fine and working good.