Bruh is 2 is good and the t44s are amazing
The only good thing about the IS-2 is its gun. Thats it. Even then its shells get volumetriced frequently by Tiger II’s and such.
What nation do you main? USA?
Hmm, if you’re playing the same game as everyone else…
This must be a skill issue :)
not after Gaijin nuked the 6.3 lineup and overtiered the T-44 and every IS-2
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let’s just pretend that’s true, at best that means that on flat maps the IS-2 is not at a disadvantage. hardly grounds to claim “Russian bias”
sure that makes up for the reload if we assume enemies will always come at you one at a time and never rush you after they see you shoot the 1st guy and that light tanks that don’t fuse the 19mm sensitivity round and require HE to kill reliably are not a thing. The Tiger 2 has enough filler reliably OHK most things. The rare occasion that anything survives a Tiger 2 round is not worth the triple reload time of the IS-2.
Combine that with the muzzle velocity, turret rotation speed, neutral steering and better suspension of the tiger 2 (I didn’t mention these before as they are all small advantages, but they add up to far better gun handling overall).
That may depend on the round being used, I got lots of practice killing IS-2s true the turret as I like nailing the clowns that drive them backwards… that annoys me… and found penning the turret cheeks quite reliable with both British and Japanese tanks Tigers 2s usually aren’t driving backwards so the Japanese HEAT will cut clean through the front plate so it’s not an issue. But with kinetic rounds the issue I often have with the tiger 2 is that if my round so much as clips the gun mantlet its a non pen, and that thing seems like it’s magnetic the way it attracts shots. I would put the IS-2 and the Tiger 2 (P) about on par armour wise.
It’s not like the IS-2 is a bad tank, but it’s not the best and certainly not something you can point at and call bias.
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I think the proper BRs should be (under current compression, not any future decompression)
5.7 - IS-1
6.0 IS-2
6.3 IS-2 1944
6.3-6.7 T-44 (unsure)
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Not rly russian aphe in general doeant volume metric as much
Also the is 2 has decent hull armor and very volumetric turret
And the mobility isnt bad either
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yes, so decent that it can be penned by everything at its BR…
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I think the T-44 should be 6.3. Its 85mm gun isn’t that great against KT’s and most other tanks. Its mantlet is an easy pen weakspot anyway.
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The turret being “weak” isn’t really enough for me to care about its plight. It would be a very strong all rounder at 6.3 (mobility/armor/gun) (gun is still good regarding aphe content and general reload/characteristics, it’s just mid af, which is fine for an all rounder tank)
I’m just unsure where it would go
I think decompression would benefit what it would face. I’d enjoy it more if its suspension wasn’t so bouncy…
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The IS-2 does get hardcore shafted with its BR placement, though. The first one could be 6.0 (maybe 5.7) and the second one 6.3 and they’d be much better.
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Nahbruh. Gaijin just needs to L2Code better.
I disagree. They do just fine after the deserved uptier. If Gaijin fixes their armor so it isn’t so bullish, then we can have an argument about their BR going down.
The argument does work, though it isn’t one that exist because of Bias. Having a lot of or little of gun depression or terrible map design has nothing to do with bias, so don’t go trying to twist my words and argument in such a nonsense direction.
If you’re playing an IS-2 and you’re isolated fighting multiple enemies that means one of two things; You made a mistake in your positioning or advance OR your supporting allies got killed first and so it is what it is. Also, there’s a reason why the KTP and KTH are at 6.7 and 7.0BR for GFRB - Because they’re capable heavy tanks just like the IS-2.
Given the IS-2 is sitting at appropriate BRs now and its armor isn’t as bullsh as it was prior, sure. Keep in mind that the IS-2 is very far from being the only tank the Ivans have in the game.
Shafted? No. The BR they’re at is acceptable in comparison to the KTs and the heavy tanks that other folks have. The biggest downside of the IS series other than gun depression is the poor optics.
You don’t consider being able to deal with a bad situation an advantage? there are objectives in the game that have to be taken /defended, the enemies and allies are all other players so they are not predictable, the enemy may do something un-expected or you allies may decide to just sit behind a rock and not help while you get swarmed on the point. Yes team play helps cover the IS-2 weaknesses, but that’s true for ALL vehicles in the game.
But it is the one we are talking about and you did say:
Implying that it has bias.
I think we have establish that it isn’t OP (except possibly in a full down tier, but most things are), let alone bias
I agree with the current compression it is where it needs to be. But like with the tiger 2(P) being the same BR as the Tiger 2 (H) that doesn’t mean its perfect.
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There are next to no vehicles that can adequately deal with a bad situation on their own to their advantage, so that question is a moot point. Every vehicle can succeed or fail hard without proper team support, vehicle quality and player ability. I don’t see how we’re having an issue here understanding the importance of needing to PTFO, as we both seem to understand the importance of it.
I think that’s foolish also, yet unfortunately Gaijin doesn’t know how to decompress even if you put them against a wall and pointed a gun at them. They couldn’t decompress themselves out of a box even if they tried. How they still remain as incompetent as they are even after 11 years baffles me greatly.
IF IS-2 is a bad tank, well then its bad tank. Don’t play it. Not every tank is a good one. What do you suggest? Decrease its BR until it becomes unstoppable?
There are so many tanks and vehicles I don’t like. I simply don’t play them. The soviet TT is one of the biggest ingame. I’m sure you’ll find some nice vehicles to play.
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The is 2 is more then good at 6.7/6.3
What’s the point of having a tank in a tech tree if it’s shit and no one is gonna play it. Might as well remove it.
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