It’s not worse at all, it’s just use differently. It got 3BM60.
I was agreeing with you and being sarcastic to sneed…
It’s spelt partition by the way.
2S25 is underrated actually
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Who the flip are you to judge my username, it’s meant to be partician. It’s not a word but something my mind came up with. I had in mind Part and Patrician. So, next time, stop yapping :)
This is such a dumb take…
Do you think sports analysts, who train/teach the athletes who are technically better than them at the sport, have no idea what they are talking about too?
Well thats a pretty lame reply. We all know 2S38 is a very capable tank. It wont face any problems at 11.0+ BR.
Tbf, the 9040b has no lineup besides from the LVRBV, i use it at 10.0 because the 9040C is too heavy and slow. Sure you get better pen by 30mm but ill take speed any day. I think the 9040s are balanced but the 2s38 is a clearly better vehicle by a small margine. I dont believe it should be 10.0 worth, a remote control turret with 200mm+ pen and the ability to track air targets. Which might i add only the lvkv 9040C which only has 140mm pen can track air. So if you think the 2s38 is on par with them then it is a bit silly. I dont believe it should be 11.7 but id say rather try it at 10.7 and if it is still overperforming then maybe 11.0
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The 2S38 is not better than the HSTV-L in most aspects.
Although I agree it should be much closer to the HSTV-Ls BR than it is, I recognize that the speed and size of the HSTV-L is deadly, much more so than the 2S38. It maintains a practically unmanned turret, while being smaller, and faster. Although yes, it lacks the ammo count and RoF and has worse Gen Thermals and lacks Proxy and IRT and does NOT have APCBC (which I consider a benefit merely because of the performance of the PT-76-57 at that BR. It is very beneficial.), it has significantly better speed and accel. Which is huge.
That said, I do believe the 2S38 should be much closer in BR than it is.
Both should be at the same BR at least
I don’t think you paid attention to my argument. Or even read it. Why? Why should it be the same BR, at 11.3? It would be fine at 11.0, facing vehicles that are well armored in comparison to their early variants, like the M1A1 or M1 IP or T-90A or Type 90s.
A lot of people who play the HSTV-L (including myself) feel it is slightly overtiered. Why should the 2S38, which is an HSTV-L without the mobility and pen and small size, be subject to the same torture?
Forgive me but that would imply a light tank could be compared to an MBT… something with armour and that, on balance, is far more likely to survive a shot from an enemy?
And as you say, more mobility…
In tradeoff for their armour. Meaning that while yes they’re probably more lethal, they have less chance of surviving a shot. However, the thing that I think you’re missing a bit is the rate of fire - sure, a 2S38 can’t one shot a MBT like a CV90105 or a Wolfpack can… but it shouldn’t need to. Because it can fire so much faster than any of those can.
Now I can’t explain why 2S38 players have a worse K/D than say a CV90. I would guess thag they’re making very obvious positional errors and are being made to pay for it. Why that is I couldn’t tell you, I play Brit tanks. I (mostly) sit hull down and toss Darts at people at long range. 2S38 from what I can see wouldn’t suit that playstyle as you’d be wasting one of the key advantages you have, namely your mobility.
Indeed. Which begs the question why 2S38 statistics can be compared to an MBT when they can’t be compared to a tank of the same class (the CV90, a light tank)
I see. I’m just a bit blind this morning.
I might define it a bit differently.
I’d define it as where statistically poor players (i.e, ones who across their account cannot maintain a 1 K/D, or 50% WR) can perform at average or better (or get more than 1 kill per death, or more than 50% WR) - which to me should at least raise some alarm bells. If bad players can provide net benefit for their team consistently, then i’d consider it potentially overpowered. Because that would imply that average or good players can make it perform better than if they were in, a balanced vehicle (the imaginary perfectly balanced one with 1 K/D and 50% WR)
What does it matter in the end what type of tank it is ? It fights any tank regardless of their type and vise versa.
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Its effectiveness is better than the Wolfpack or the 2S25M because of its reload rate and the upgraded penetration power.
If the PT-76-57 could survive going from 7 point O to 8.3, you can survive a jump from 10.0 to 11.0
You stonewallers can see yourselves out.
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Okay, then move up all the 10.0 light tanks such as the M3A3 to 10.7. And especially the 10.0 CV90s (which are superior vehicles to the 2S38) with their full spall liners to 10.7 or 11.0.
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You okay there bro, do i need to send a doctor ?
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How are we stonewalling, we are talking about 2S38 all the time.
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The M3A3 Bradley and CV9040C/LVKV9040C are also top tier performers in that case. Because their performance isn’t particularly inferior.
The M3A3 being on the weaker side and the CV9040C/LVKV9040C being quite literally superior vehicles at the same BR of 10.0.
I also personally use the 9.7 Chinese ZTL-11 and the 10.0 Chinese QN506 at 11.7 all the time and I do well. That does make them “top tier performers” in the way that they can perform at top tier - which is something applicable to almost every 10.0 in the game as that is the point where you generally have all the technology available.
But it’s extremely clear that this whole 2S38 rage - (I mean, you’re literally having a mental breakdown) comes from a place of bad faith and quite frankly delusion from very poor players. As has been proven to be case multiple times so far.
I clearly love to lie for the fun of it (sarcasm for the robots), denial doesn’t get you anywhere, Mr Anatoly Karpov. Even with or without experience from other people we should acknowledge that the 2S38 is far superior to the HSTVL.
Next time I get to visit my friends I’ll do you a favour and show evidence as many people here seem to be doubtful lmao
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You’re having a mental breakdown get over it
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That’s all these pitiful IvanBoos can do.
Gaslight.
Lie.
Make bad failth arguments.
Project.
They do it in every forum in every thread. They couldn’t make an honest argument, let alone an honest discussion, even if you put a gun to their head.
They have to have their precious unbalanced vehicles stay unbalanced, and only they can have unbalanced vehicles.
It’s all so tiresome.
The 2S38 shouldn’t even be in the game in the first place. Gaijin violated their own rules by adding it.
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