I am currently at cent mk1 and i find myself having more success with solid shot (i don’t curse everytime i fire unlike a certain shel type… ahem…). I can frequently one shot vehicles with the solid shot and I don’t miss aphe so much while using it.
ACTUAL QUESTION: is 17 pdr apds actually better to use or should i just use it as a more reliable apcr.
Also the next gun will be 20 pdr so what about its apds compared to its solid shot.
If i am not able to make myself clear I’ll elaborate further.
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The armor piercing capped ballistic should be your primary ammo, the armor piercing discarding sabot should be your secondary obviously due to the volumetric. the APCB is better because it deal more damage post penetrating the armor. APDS needs more precision.
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yeahh exactly. but whenever i look up cent mk 1 online EVERYONE EVERYWHERE is saying apds this apds that and blah blah. thried it, fking hated my life. then i was like fkk 'em!! my gut says solid shot is the way then lets go for it, and then next match i fricking stomped and life is good again. but what about the 20 pdr?? is its apds comparable to its solid shot?? coz 230ish mm of pen with no he filler at 7.7 seems kindaaaaa ehhh~ but idk, maybe the stab changes things?
I prefer 17pdr and 20pdr APCBC for damage and only use APDS for long range shots or against armored targets that can’t be penetrated by AP.
The damage difference is just way too big.
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I use the APDS on everything British that gets it. If you know where to place your shots and hit that mark perfectly it works wonders. But it’s a lot harder to use than the standard AP so if you’re having better luck with that just keep using that as your primary round
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Ive had it non pen T-34 UFPs reliably so uh… no
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Yepp been there done that and what’s it’s love with the fuel tanks. Solid shot too but less often
I come from playing russia and usa so I kind of have a surgical mindset… Not over extensions but really good positions and more othen than not i find myself facing multiple enemies in succession and the damage difference and consistency is a big deal in those situations.
~230 mm pen at 7.7 on APDS is nothing, you’ll find Soviet APHE with more penetration in lower BR.
Using as example, the FV4004 with the 120 mm QF Tk. L1A2 cannon has ~502 mm of pen with the APDS and this is one of the few that can penetrate the PzKpfw VII Tiger II on the upper glacis.
So no, ~230 mm of pen at 7.7 with APDS is nearly enough compared to other round types.
ig the cent mk3 and the caernarvon are just backups then, coz i don’t think the 20 pdr apds is gonna be much better than the 17 pdr
I dont play brit so much these days…but i am under the impression that brit guns improve a lot when you get 17pdr or 20pdr. 2pdr and 6pdr were much worse.
I recall that the 17pdr was the “corkscrew” back in the day…i had the Achiles and Challenger (if memory does not fail me) that using the best ammo could pen tanks that no other tank at same BR could…
As an example, back then, the Challengers were the few that could pen Jumbos frontally outside weakspots. As jumbos were everywhere i would love using them…
This was always the strength of Brit tanks…penetration…kill power is not so good for sure. BUT 17pdr gets 1 shot kills much better than 6pdr…so i usually use the higher pen ammo.
EDIT: I think that (at the time) i had more issues with APCR not having enough pen for the target than APDS failing to do enough damage…
well that sure is nice to imagine with jumbo being practically immone to 17 pdr apds now, panther upf also gives some trouble often now, volumetric has shell shattering left and right where now your only reliable shot seems to be a clean flat armor plate (strictly unangled) (apds has become an overrated apcr at this point). reliable penetration (not the high stat card pen numbers) in my opinion was the key resource for britain. but now the only thing britain had going for it up till 7.7 seems to be screwed over, and seems like gaijin refuses to do the br changes warranted by the apds shell performance nerfs. i would have no problem with the apds if it could pen when i tell it to, that pretty high chance of screwing over ur shot even when it should be possible is what deters me from using it. i could be wrong but i dont feel wrong after using the 17 pdr apds in its current state. i feel helpless against jumbos, only thing i can do is run away (not that easy with 38 kph tops).
edit: i forgot to mention the american heavis at 6.7, yeah i have only been able to pen a single t26e1 so far and that only pretty close up and right in the ammo, idk how to deal with the rest i have tried eveything i can think of ( that includes a lot of running away)
I haven’t played brits at this BR so i don’t know for sure. Pen was pretty reliable before…just not the kill. I did play the jumbo a few times and it felt more vulnerable to more stuff…or at least it seemed to have more weakspots…no longer just the cupola and driver.
Therefore I was assuming that the 17pdr had increased in efficiency…not the other way around…I used Centurion a couple times as backup for 6.7s and it worked as expected…but i dont recall hard targets. It could pen lots stuff at 6.7 matches…
Have to take my old brits for a spin…
Prepare your mind and spirit beforehand lol maybe meditate a few times… I usually don’t rage but the apds seriously had me screaming out at the top of my lungs. Like i got no issues it could reliably disable opponents but nope gaijin refuses to give britian even a speck of performance cause it would make all the german mains scream out in the name of all that good (for them anyway). Even now, britain only got fox, a single op vehicle around these brs and they are all like ohh holy snail why must you make us suffer like so have thou forsaken thy children (psst was the previous offerings made in the name of premiums and golden eagles not enough?)
I dont’t fully agree…
My memories from Achilles, Comet and Challenger are good…i have that strange memory that 17pdr was much better than 6pdr…it actually could kill stuff. And Centurion was (is?) a beast…
That said…i do recall long battles with 2pdr and 6pdr where i needed to hit the target 5+ times…at least reloads were fast…but if target was combat operational after the first hit(s) it was annoying as hell. That is why i have GOOD memories from 17pdr…at least target was usually disabled with first hit…or so i seem to recall…
Things change fast in WT…
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I have much worse memories from early French and Japanese tanks…i actually stopped playing them…honestly i have no time for all nations…but brits are still fun.
Playing tortoise and friends now…and some Ratel…
4.7 and lower are still some very strong lineups. Maybe 5.3 too. But 17 pdr at 6.0 cent mk1 doesn’t cut it. It’s a worse pather in every way. Mobility, armor and firepower. And I’m going to make a post about the tortoise being the same fkn br as the jagdtiger?? R u fkn serious gaijin??
Tried a game with 5.0…even with an outmatched team the 17pdrs work fine IMHO…they pen and do damage…i think i one shoted a Panther from the front…curiously i also hit one on the side and it didn’t die, but was moving fast and i couldnt aim right (got a crit).
I now remember the issue with Comet and Chally…they die very fast. I always thought they have a very good gun, but bad armor (and reverse speed is proof brit tank designers like scotch).
Bear in mind…if i am fighting Panthers at 5.0…i am badly uptiered :)
Brits have issues…but the 17pdr is not on the top of the list IMHO.
Well i AM playing the same gun at 6.0 being uptiered to 7.0 and i notice it. Doesn’t happen all the time but not reliable either. And i just use solid shot now, it doesn’t pen everything but it does pen what i know it can