霹雳12霹雳12a问题讨论贴

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主要就是issue区把审核人员的名字隐藏以后就没人能监督了，完全就是为所欲为，这么搞的话路边随便拉个人都能干这活

[Kuroneko188]

我没想到的是干这个的人也没多少良心

[Kuroneko188]

被nab了 他说你觉得不合适就提供证据，我行者pl12改动也没证据啊。他在说什么？r77-1都没啥资料，怎么就4马赫怎么就50g，怎么就低阻了，怎么就手长了？

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我严重怀疑之前那个中系资料员以审核员的身份藏在了里面，各种issue都摁着不给过，这次pl12削弱削弱和96b的事情估计也都是他的手笔

[Kuroneko188]

会是国人吗

[Kuroneko188]

给你看看刚才一个管理员的答复：不巧的是，你们没有证据，下次遇到这个问题请提供证据。 给我的感觉像是在嘲笑老中玩家。

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之前那个中系资料员确实是国人

[Kuroneko188]

有人提交pl12拐不动的bug，管理员给的是证据不足，说需要说明，1. 描述问题 2.如何造成这个问题 3. 截图，log，和回放，截图或视频应是即时的。可以找到这些资料再提交一个pl12锁舵的issue，我觉得能成。

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https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/zPGEBOX4IdXR

最后是这个结果

[Kuroneko188]

没招了

[yiehgd]

这破问题平台也吊用没有
原先提交pl12总冲问题一直nab，然后现在莫名其妙给你改个总冲
没有一篇通过的甚至

[yiehgd]

有人测了个现在的，甚至不如原先的120c
都快比不上不死鸟了

@dark_claw

Test conditions: At 1000m alt, releasing fuel-less missiles at over Mach 3.5 with high off-boresight, while the missile’s maneuver delay and navigation ratio limits are removed – simulating the overload the missile can pull when approaching the target after full acceleration.

Currently, the PL-12 or PL-12A at low altitude can only achieve a maximum overload of 22G (or even just 18G at high speed), which is worse than the AIM-120C before the 2.55 buff.

Generally speaking, even with perfectly tuned PID, a missile in the game needs at least twice the target’s available overload to guarantee it won’t be outmaneuvered. The old AIM-120C’s terminal overload (max 24G) was barely at that threshold, but the current PL-12/PL-12A (which has 3G less than the pre-buff AIM-120C) makes it very unlikely to reliably hit a 12G aircraft.

After the 2.55 buff, the AIM-120C/D, in high off-boresight engagements, suffer from the lack of a high-thrust booster stage and induced drag effects, so their acceleration is slow and turn rates remain unsatisfactory (unsuitable for high off-boresight attacks). However, both before and after the buff, the AIM-120C/D with fuel burnt out and fully accelerated are still threatening missiles. But the PL-12 or PL-12A currently seem hopeless.

[子夏忆雨]

机动被老120C薄纱这一块 complete

[中国万岁123]

pl12真的没救了吗，有没有人讲一下

[子夏忆雨]

只要我们能坚持表达不满，那PL-12就是有希望被救回来的。 complete

[yiehgd]

反正这游戏开发者根本不管中国人意见，去英文区对线了

[yiehgd]

而且大部分白皮思维都停留在上世纪，不听不想不看不信

@yiehgd

@Tsumibito42-psn

Said Aesa Radar is also quoted as performing similarly to the J10’s radar system

Where did you get this source? Even AVIC know less than you
Learn what is AESA and amount of T/R unit first
OR do you mean AESA is the same entire world? LOL

@Tsumibito42-psn

further more they all struggle on producing enough electrical power to power complex electronic suites on the aircraft

You mean electric is not enough so the J16D series and J15D series should like EA18 add addtional generator???
So wheres the generator yk like the small fan at the front of the pod

@Tsumibito42-psn

china’s brand new engines that aren’t even in mass production let alone being fielded on jets are just now stepping into the same area as western engines

BTW you mean mass production like china got hundreds of new aircrafts with new gen engine, yes not the full fleet. COMPAIR with only even serveral dozens equipoed in EU contry? Which is not 100% in entire fleet so dosent mean mass production?
WHERE IS THE NEW GEN ENGINE EQUIPPED IN WESTERN?

@Tsumibito42-psn

Every country in the world has access to the rare earth minerals need for next gen radars china just has a lot of mines for it currently.

Why F35 using dumbbell as weight instead real radar??? “mass production” you must be so proud wow

bruh full of prejudice

谈pl12问题就在那疯狂转移话题
什么J15的雷达官方说和J10差不多，还有西方一堆更先进的发动机牢中就是不行，只要不是整个机队都换装 就是说牢中量产不了发动机
就西方那一个国家几十架的破飞机都不值得专门开个生产线

[Kuroneko188]

pl12拉不动，包括pl12a，只需要做个滚筒就能扭掉，和麻雀似的，pl12a总结就是手长了但是其实并没有长多少，因为还增重了，pl12系列现在和下水道没啥区别

[Kuroneko188]

白皮糖丸了，无知还招笑

[yiehgd]

峰值过载不到22g那确实拉不动
小号不死鸟，甚至比不上不死鸟动力段