due to many factors GRB at these ranges suck to play cause of hyper compression
vehicles that are Oppressive at these tiers
PZIII M 3.0 faces against M4A1 3.3 constantly with no counter play
hes got a STAB and better armor almost nothing you can do but die
only counter for the 3.3 sherman is PZ IVG you can just shoot its turret using your OP stab and better mobility. its only counter play is range combat but there are no ranged maps at these brs
T34s at similar BRs are also a huge problem due to them basically being heavy tanks with all there armor against things with Sub 100mm pen guns its very unfair
4.7s like KV1E are basically unkillable in a downtier but because gaijin still hasnt raised rest of 5.7s like T34-85 or M4A3-76 it cant go up either
what do you guys think we should do ?
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Well, Pz IIIs are also super strong in downtiers.
But it’s true that things could certainly more balanced.
But as we know, thats never going to happen, since Gaijin always keeps BRs way too compressed.
All you can do is just built a line up of vehicles that are good in downtiers and have some vehicles thats ok in uptiers as backup.
You cant really uncompress it. Lower tiers simply have less players in it because eventually players move on. It would cause too long queues. Besides, the panzer 3j and m with the best 50mm is still a good opponent for the lower shermans. 100mm pen is plenty. You just need to learn a little where to aim. Or exploit a situation.
You cant expect to just drive up to an enemy and pen it whenever. You need to abuse the fact they can get distracted. That they dont always know where you come from.
Same goes for the t 34. The lower br ones only got 45mm all around. Turret front including. Even the upgraded t 34 turret is still only 56mm of armor. You can easily shoot the turret ring.
This game is half situational awareness and observation. Its more than just drive there n shoot.
At the higher br’s, some vehicles only got as little as 55mm of pen, while fighting main battle tanks, but at that point they taught themselves where all the vulnerable bits are. Even somethigg as strong as a t 72 still has a side weakness where you can penetrate 40mm of armor. Its up to you to learn how to use that information.
i can think of a few vehicles in a down tier that can full counter a PZIII not many can counter a M4A1 in a full downtier to 2.3
it literally isnt the sherman can one tap the PZIII at basically any angle and has a low speed STAB giving him first shot advatange the PZIII has to aim for machine port and pray while the sherman can just shot anywhere
god forbid you face a T34E STZ your just dead no matter what
Enlighten me.
But yeah the M4A1 can be stupid strong, just from the gun platform alone.
for one B1 Ter 2.7 B1 bis 2.3 matilda 2.7 2.0s stand no chance tho and some valentine models can be a tough fight too
but main difference is the M4A1 is .3 higher than you and theres nothing you can do if you face it other than flank it and pray hes blind as sherman is very mobile tank
mind you B1 ter faces M4A1 in a full uptier and cant do anything other than angle and hope he doesnt hit your turret
theres a reason seal clubbers play the sherman and M24s and not anything german
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B1s can‘t even pen the Pz III L/M from the front and Valentines are very slow.
They can be annoying hull down but you can still one shot them when you pen the turret.
The Pz II, and others, also can pen a M4A1 in quite a few places.
While quite a few vehicles will struggle to pen a Pz III L\M from the front.
Of course Matilda’s and B1s are quite the nightmare to face for lower BR vehicles.
you can you just gotta aim and its not like the PZIII can pen you
The only way you can kill it is by planting a 75mm APHE through the Pz IIIs hull MG port or through the gunners viewport.
So this very slow heavy tank has to play casemate, presenting it’s hull armor unangled to the Pz III.
your case mate has less pen then the primary turret anyways i almost never use it so i always angle so PZ.III cant pen
So how are you planing to kill a Pz III with 47mm solid shot?
You can one shot the M4A1 on the sides, even if they’re angled
so depends on where im at the time 99% of time im point blank range i shoot his machine gun port or his cupola and just drain his crew
if you at any distance the 75MM HE round can one tap it by hitting the roof area
yeah you can one shot the sides but again if hes smart he wont angle the M4A1 cause frontally un angled you have very limited options to kill him and he has first shot advantage which just ignores all your armor
again, its turret only has 45mm frontal armor. you can easily tap that.
