China is the weakest country in the Warthunder game, whether it is 99A, helicopters, CAS aircraft, or AA, they are all the weakest. Never before has a country been treated as worthless by BVVD like China. Therefore, I believe that introducing this advanced missile in the game to strengthen China is very necessary
中系是战雷最弱的系，无论是99a，还是直升机，还是cas机，还是aa，都是最弱的，从来没有一个系像中系这样，饱受bvvd亏待，因此我认为，在游戏中引入这款先进的导弹来加强中系，是非常有必要的
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They did that on purpose until SEAD is introduced.
It’s a 25kg warhead which is more than enough.
25kg is not HE mass.
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And they stated that where?
I dont know jow large it is but thats not my point.
Lmurs would be oneshotting tanks always by virtue of overpressure. Spikes on the other hand do jack all most times cause theyre innaccurate as hell
为什么游戏里不允许出现在现实中存在的东西？
这是某种种族歧视吗？
是因为中国人的武器在游戏中必须是最弱的，所以除非在增加CM502之后，Z10ME依然是游戏中最弱的载具，否则CM502就不能出现在游戏之中吗？
Why are things that exist in reality not allowed in the game?
Is this some kind of racism?
Is it because Chinese weapons must be the weakest in the game, so unless Z10ME is still the weakest vehicle in the game after adding CM502, CM502 can’t appear in the game?
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The Z-10ME would still be better than the Apache without the CM missiles
Yes, it’s mass is around 11-13kg
Which needs to hit specific targeted areas to ensure a kill. If this was closer to 15-20kg this wouldn’t be a problem but here we are.
Chinese vehicles have once again lost a crucial Fire-and-Forget (F&F) missile capability.
The Z-10ME helicopter, introduced in the “Leviathans” update, was a highly anticipated vehicle for Chinese tech tree players. It was expected to carry the CM502 F&F missile – one of the very few F&F missiles realistically usable for top-tier Chinese aircraft. In fact, the entire Chinese top-tier lineup has significantly fewer usable F&F missiles than a single SU-30SM can carry. Yet, the developers have still chosen to remove this hope from Chinese players.
This decision is quite perplexing. The developers seem to misunderstand what Chinese players actually need: We do not require missiles with an unrealistic 24km range (which, due to War Thunder’s gameplay mechanics, makes hits at that distance from a helicopter nearly impossible). What we do need is for the developers to utilize the already existing CM502 missile model in the game. Simply copy the performance data from the QN502CDD or “Spike” missiles, set a maximum range of around 8km, and implement it – exactly as was done previously with the “Brimstone” missile.
If the developers remain unwilling to give the Z-10ME an F&F missile, this vehicle will likely struggle significantly at the 12.0 BR. Realistically, all helicopters lacking F&F missiles face severe difficulties achieving results in top-tier battles. They are forced to constantly duck behind cover to evade increasingly potent anti-air missiles, while simultaneously needing to maintain laser guidance on their targets – a fundamental contradiction in gameplay. Therefore, if the Z-10ME cannot receive an F&F missile, I believe helicopters like the Z-9 series, Z-19 series, and Z-10 series should all receive a BR reduction of at least 0.3. The Z-10 series, in particular, desperately needs this adjustment.
The Chinese tech tree is being reduced to one without any distinct characteristics or competitive edge, and it’s deeply disheartening to witness this. Countless Issues and forum posts advocating for Chinese vehicles to receive equipment that is rightfully theirs disappear into the void. I do not want the Chinese tech tree to remain perpetually reliant on laser-guided weapons, fighting against opponents equipped with F&F systems. I sincerely hope the developers will start taking the balance and unique identity of every nation’s vehicles seriously.
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Why would you want a SALH cm502
To date, China remains the only nation in Woe Thunder without any air-launched infrared-guided ATGMs. I don’t oppose adding the AGM-114L for the US or Kh-39 for Russia—but this must be applied equally. Instead, we’ve seen:
- Spike-ER missiles given to French/Italian/Israeli helicopters since 2023
- PARS 3 LR missiles for Germany’s Tiger UHT even earlier
Yet now, missiles with equivalent guidance are denied to other nations under the guise of “balance preservation”. Remember: Weapons can have unique characteristics—that’s fine—but the game must not devolve into asymmetrical “haves vs. have-nots” scenarios.
China’s infrared ATGMs—whether for helicopters, aircraft, or ground vehicles—remain entirely absent from the game. Are you suggesting these missiles are more balance-breaking than the Kh-38MT? Are top-tier Ground RB maps now 100km-wide battlefields where China’s standoff-strike capability would be rendered completely uninterceptible?
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I dont think anyone has said that, they just havent been added yet, otherwise youre implying that everything that hasnt been added to the game is unbalanced
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our dear Mr.1080p had said something like " CM-502KG is F&F ,25km range ,and LOAL capability, it’s imbalance for this game so they won’t add it. "
hahaha by Kh38
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smin said speifically
“As we have already said, we don’t plan F&F weaponry with LOAL for the time being.”
which is quite a reasonable argument, anything with actual LOAL would be 100x worse than kh38mt, especially if its on a helicopter and has 25km range
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First, there’s no open data shows CM-502KG is a LOAL missile.
second, 25 km range makes no difference for a 10 km less map.and is far more less than Kh38, AASM and AGM-130.
third, All IR and TV ATGMs have some kind of LOAL capability. you can lock the ground to fire the missile and when missile fly close. the ir/tv seeker can lock the vehicle in their seeker’s fov.
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thats not real LOAL, actual LOAL is 100x more OP, also I believe gaijin were or had removed that from most ir/tv missiles
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removed what? real LOAL or that LOAL?
they do removed real LOAL of spike-er to make it able to be added to game.
but they refuse to show why they think CM-502KG is a LOAL missile in real world. and if so, why won’t they remove it from CM-502 to add it?
besides, nothing can 100x op than Kh38. if you use it well, kh 38 has more than 90% rate to kill a tank or heli. but nothing can kill 90 vehicles for just one shot.
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That leads to a quite interesting dilemma: if anything IRL has the capability of LOAL was removed of that before making into the game, then why people still use “LOAL is bias” as a reason to refuse adding a LOAL weaponary since it will definitely be “adjusted”?
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