Why would you want a SALH cm502
To date, China remains the only nation in Woe Thunder without any air-launched infrared-guided ATGMs. I don’t oppose adding the AGM-114L for the US or Kh-39 for Russia—but this must be applied equally. Instead, we’ve seen:
- Spike-ER missiles given to French/Italian/Israeli helicopters since 2023
- PARS 3 LR missiles for Germany’s Tiger UHT even earlier
Yet now, missiles with equivalent guidance are denied to other nations under the guise of “balance preservation”. Remember: Weapons can have unique characteristics—that’s fine—but the game must not devolve into asymmetrical “haves vs. have-nots” scenarios.
China’s infrared ATGMs—whether for helicopters, aircraft, or ground vehicles—remain entirely absent from the game. Are you suggesting these missiles are more balance-breaking than the Kh-38MT? Are top-tier Ground RB maps now 100km-wide battlefields where China’s standoff-strike capability would be rendered completely uninterceptible?
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I dont think anyone has said that, they just havent been added yet, otherwise youre implying that everything that hasnt been added to the game is unbalanced
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our dear Mr.1080p had said something like " CM-502KG is F&F ,25km range ,and LOAL capability, it’s imbalance for this game so they won’t add it. "
hahaha by Kh38
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smin said speifically
“As we have already said, we don’t plan F&F weaponry with LOAL for the time being.”
which is quite a reasonable argument, anything with actual LOAL would be 100x worse than kh38mt, especially if its on a helicopter and has 25km range
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First, there’s no open data shows CM-502KG is a LOAL missile.
second, 25 km range makes no difference for a 10 km less map.and is far more less than Kh38, AASM and AGM-130.
third, All IR and TV ATGMs have some kind of LOAL capability. you can lock the ground to fire the missile and when missile fly close. the ir/tv seeker can lock the vehicle in their seeker’s fov.
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thats not real LOAL, actual LOAL is 100x more OP, also I believe gaijin were or had removed that from most ir/tv missiles
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removed what? real LOAL or that LOAL?
they do removed real LOAL of spike-er to make it able to be added to game.
but they refuse to show why they think CM-502KG is a LOAL missile in real world. and if so, why won’t they remove it from CM-502 to add it?
besides, nothing can 100x op than Kh38. if you use it well, kh 38 has more than 90% rate to kill a tank or heli. but nothing can kill 90 vehicles for just one shot.
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That leads to a quite interesting dilemma: if anything IRL has the capability of LOAL was removed of that before making into the game, then why people still use “LOAL is bias” as a reason to refuse adding a LOAL weaponary since it will definitely be “adjusted”?
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You’re conflating two separate issues. My argument was never that ‘unadded = unbalanced’—it’s that comparable systems receive disparate treatment. When Gaijin fast-tracks Spike-ER (25km F&F) for 3 nations in 2023 and Kh-38MT (Mach 2/40km) for Russia in 2024, yet claims a 25km Mach 1 Chinese missile ‘requires prolonged balance testing’ since 2021, that demonstrates systemic bias. The burden is on you to explain why identical capabilities face wildly different scrutiny—not to invent strawman arguments.
because they arent identical youre simplifying their capabilities to suit your argument
comparable systems would be a hellfire and the akd-9/10 or the agm114L/cm502/brimstone, or the pars and the spike er
spike ER is not LOAL
you compare this situation to the brimstone but you forget how much backlash gaijin got for removing the LOAL from the brimstone, imo that is why gaijin is unwilling to do it in this situation, that or they were not aware of the source that says that the cm502 even has a LOBL mode
I was talking about the fake LOAL that some lock-on-point IR/TV missiles had/have
im not against the addition of a long range fnf missile for china or anyone else, I am against solving a problem (kh38mt being OP) by adding something far worse (any LOAL missile)
kh29t also has loal in this game, go and oppose it, sb
we already discussed the not actual LOAL, which as far as I am aware was removed
MMW and IR aren’t comparable.
He is messing up ER2.
There is no evidence to suggest it was LOAL anyway, and that with SLM/other ARH SPAA, LOAL will not even be OP, except MMW ones which of course has just FnF from the start without having to guide it for a few seconds. And to this, I agree to the other guy’s point, where even with LOAL this thing will not excel the boundary of OP defined specifically by KH38MT, which is a response to Smin’s point that it in fact was going to be more OP than existing weapons in game.
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All loals will only appear in this way. No matter how much you argue, you can’t stop a missile with no data from appearing in the game. What’s more, players just want a missile that is exactly the same as the spike. Who cares about the damn loal?
IR LOAL and MMW are
I assume that there is some confusion because there is probably a non LOAL and a LOAL version, and you say LOAL wont be OP but it still be very annoying
excluding the KH38, and if it had LOAL it would be
I am aware that LOAL will come eventually, but it shouldnt be added the same way the kh38 and spikes were, where they were only added to one nation without their equivalents coming to other nations
Yes but in different ways as MMW LOALs can be thrown all at once and IR one or two at a time, both requires DL like system to work, but I think Brimstones might be able to just be thrown straight away.
There is nothing to suggest it specifically had LOAL but due to its predecessors it’s thought to have LOAL. LOAL would also require likely GTMI or continuous designation until sth like 8km, where there will be plenty of time for something like SLM to take it down when new patch drops, and I remain skeptical of it being able to reach more than 12-15km kinetically from a relatively horizontal point.
KH38 is FnF from 20km+ out with planes that have CAP capability (excluding SM3), TY90s are nice but aren’t to the same extent as strong as Su34/30. They can’t be compared in the same way, and KH38 has hugely advantageous kinetics.
theres a reason I said excluding the kh38, honestly surely even gaijin regrets adding it to the game at this point, they just dont want to fold I reckon
fair
yeah but theyre more comparable than SALH or IR and any form of LOAL
i just tried it again on the server, and the kh29t can still do this.
It can be launched outside the moving target lock range, and the seeker will automatically track the new target within the moving target lock range.
to be honest, I think loal is meaningless. Giving this to all countries will not affect the so-called game balance at all, and it can’t even shake the current status of kh38
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