+1, Because I just love USAF Vehicles!
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They definitely should. It’s still a crusader after all, and the countermeasure system found on the American variants should be compatible with the French ones, in the same way the F-5C flare/chaff system is “compatible” with it.
I’m all for giving all planes countermeasure if possible, since dying because someone clicked a single button isn’t really that fair…
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100%, F-4C players already have to deal with AIM-9Ms lol
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From the small amount of research I’ve done, the development of the XF8U-3 ended before the AIM-9D entered service, so historically it should only have AIM-9B and AIM-7D. Notably though, as best I can tell (though I haven’t found any photos of it with sidewinders), I believe that it was intended to have cheek pylons for the Sidewinders, and the Sparrows were in recessed pylons similar to the Phantom. This would give it a total of 7 missiles. Also notably, it was only planned to have guns, but they were never installed. I don’t see them adding it without guns though, as they were fully intended for any production version.
You’d have a plane with considerable performance but lacking armament, which if kept that way would probably see it wind up at 10.0 or 10.3. I could see it being added as a “likely service version” though, with AIM-7E2 and AIM-9G as well as flares, a sort of late 60s version rather than the 1959 of the actual plane. I certainly wouldn’t complain.
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A +1 from me! It would be neat as an Event vehicle or a premium… or even a BP reward
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Might as well add the Magic 2 to the US Crusaders, since they’re “compatible”.
The countermeasures are a defining point of the US Crusaders and they shouldn’t be handed out to the French ones just because, otherwise they’ll be ahistorically better which is unacceptable.
+1 for suggestion
Could these be countermeasures mounts? I don’t know when the earliest launchers were fitted on US aircraft, so given the time it was built in, wouldn’t surprise me if it didn’t have any
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F8U-3 Standard Aircraft Characteristics 1958 + Characteristics Summary
AIM-7 and AIM-9:
F8U-3 Characteristics Summary (better quality)
AIM-7 and AIM-9:
Spoiler
So, looks like it can carry 2x fuselage mounted AIM-9s and 3x semi-submerged AIM-7s, for a total of 5x missiles OR it can carry 2x fuselage mounted AIM-9s and 4x semi-submerged AIM-9s altough I don’t see how that works (or maybe the CS description means mixed loadout of 2x fuselage AIM-9s and 2x semi-submerged)
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For research purposes, I’d highly recommend getting this book.
This book might answer everybody’s questions here. I haven’t acquired this yet, but I will see what I can do in the future.
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Magic launcher rails are compatible with sidewinders, sidewinder launcher rails are not compatible with Magics.
Because the F-5C flares are historical? The F-5C was withdrawn from service in 1966. The AN/ALE-40 flare dispensers it has in game didn’t exist until the 1970s. Ergo the F-5C can’t have used them in real life.
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As much as I hate to sort of defend the F-5C’s countermeasures/RWR, they are at the least a bit more historical than the F-8E (FN) getting CMs, for a very big reason: they were a simple bolt-on system for the F-5A/B platform overall. The Crusader’s CM suite was directly integrated into the airframe (and was even done as part of a very historical overhaul program for a majority of the US Navy and Marines’ aircraft) making it impossible as a “bolt-on” addition that Gaijin could just simply slap on and be done with. I will also mention that I’m not entirely opposed to it, as long as Gaijin devs come forth with either a forum post or even development post explaining precisely their reasoning (as well as overall player reasoning) for the change.
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The F-5Cs CMs are for balance reasons, I don’t really want the F-8E(FN) to have CMs because it would be ahistorical, but the F-8P would be a balancing choice.
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Yeah, I would honestly be extra okay with that
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Hey there @BasherBenDawg8 !
Thanks a lot for your questions.
1: are there any images of it carry 4 sidewinders? Would they be carried on those double racks on the sides of the fuselage?
1: Couldn’t find a photo of it carrying both at the same time, but found this pic and this article talking about the Crusader carrying only 7 missiles with 3 of them being Sparrows/AIM-7 and the other 4 Sidewinders/AIM-9 https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-f-8-super-crusader-the-hot-navy-fighter-almost-replaced-20405
2a: would the top sidewinder be the Aim-9G or Aim-9D variant?
2b: What is the latest variant of the Aim-7 it’s expected to receive? Aim-7E or Aim-7E-2?
2: Given that the F-4 Phantom was chosen over the XF8U-3 in 1960, it was realistically only fitted with AIM-9Bs as 9Ds were only produced from '65 onward. regarding the AIM-7, it was realistically only the 7D, as the 7E were only produced from '63 onward, but it is not unreasonable to assume that could recieve the 9D and 7E for balance reasons.
3: Can it carry the Sparrows and Sidewinders together without any obstruction? The way you worded it as 3 sparrows “or” 4 sidewinders made it sound like it needed to sacrifice the sparrows or sidewinders for one another. Based on the location of previous sidewinder pylons, and the visual location of the sparrows on this variant I’d assume it isn’t a problem, but just wanted to double check.
3: Yes, all missiles all at once all the time everywhere
4: Countermeasures… didn’t see any mention of them in this post, I’m assuming none? Were they at least planned as the guns were?
4: Again, as it was passed over in favour of the F-4 (which also lacked countermeasures in its initial versions) it is likely that no countermeasures were fitted to the aircraft. Its still important to note that the F-8E, which had its first flight only a year later than the termination of the XF8U-3 program, its still possible that some were fitted, but so far I couldn’t find anything to validate this possibility as there apparently isn’t a single good picture of the planes underside and the large ventral fins block the view additionally. A RWR appears to have been fitted.
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Looks Like a 7.0 Ami Bias Jet to me
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This would be perfect behind the f4j
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Going through the F8U-3 Flight Guide from 1958 to get some more information… and… I think I’m tweakin rn?
Oh, and as far as four Sidewinders goes, here’s this from the same guide:
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aim-7 yes
this plane as desiger ve told that it can fly like a fly around phantom
i wish it will be next air event reward
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is there any chance to get it as next air event reward? devs? give us SHARKEYYY!!
Hell I agree I just want something unique like f11 and f4d not eighty f14s