As people pointed out earlier, Leonardo is not necessarily 100% Italian. It has branch(es) stationed in other countries.
It’s like asking for XM1302 or M109A7 for the UK because they are designed and produced by BAE Systems, but ignoring the fact that BAE Systems has its own division in the US for the US military.
I’ll just leave this here
Clearly Ajax to the US because its made by GD UK
italy already has a spike heli anyways, and can get a really good new one soon, why are people so upset about italy not getting this lmao
Sure, it have branches but is still an Italian company with the headquarters in Rome but sure, isn’t 100% italian right? if this were a partial russian/chinese vehicle you can bet gaijin would have given to them
but is italy, so it won’t
sure, give those vehicles to Uk too.
Here is Smin’s statement on it (probably word from the devs too),
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As I said it is ultimately a British helicopter, developed by the UK arm of Augusta Westland, which was subsequently brought out by Leonardo.
As with all defence projects these days there is involvement from other countries though. Should the UK get given basically every NATO fighter jet because they make the ejection seats for them? That’s not how the game works, a nation doesn’t get a given a vehicle because they made a small part of it.
The Wildcat is a development of the Lynx produced entirely, and exclusively, in the UK; with no interest from the Italian military and limited input from Italian industry. The fact that an Italian company brought out the manufacturer is irrelevant.
the AW159 was a collaboration between italy and the UK and even today is produced by an ITALIAN company
Don’t want to give it to italy because of some made up nonsense or hate from gaijin? Fine! But at least be honest with the origin of this vehicle
Yes, is always fellow players fault when gaijin act like a stone wall and never gaijin own fault
That’s something to bring up to Smin, not something used to insult others and make wild claims.
I’m lost, what part were an insult? I would remove it
Also what was the “wild” claim again?
Usually something put in quotes is meant to demean something, and “mr ‘suggestion mod’” sounds like its meant to be a dig in of itself
This is the wild claim in question, mostly because if every claim abt Gaijin’s hate was true, every nation would be hated and every nation would be biased and OP at the same time, which obviously isn’t the truth.
Im not saying anything that italy should get it ( hopefully we’ll get the aw249 soon ) just pointing out how its not true that the italian side di didn’t do anything, also based just on general knowledge on how 50/50 partnerships work, especially when talking about defense companies
No, it was an exclusively British development of the Westland Lynx, carried out by the British arm of Augusta-Westland. Italian companies had some limited involvement in producing a few bits of the helicopter, but that does not make it a collaborative project; by that logic basically every western fighter jet would be a collaborative project with Britain because Britain makes the ejection seats.
Every single AW159 ever made has been produced entirely, and exclusively in the UK by GKN Aerospace (a British company) and the UK arm of Augusta Westland, later brought out by Leonardo.
You need to get your head around the idea that one company owning another company does not make everything that other company makes the nationality of that parent company.
I was sarcastic but it wasn’t suppoed to be an insult, i removed it
Also that wasn’t exactly wild claim as every single time i have seen in this years that gaijin is unwilling to fix the issues with the italian issues, turni down bug report and in general as soon italy get something it will be nerfed soon
It happen with the Leopard 2 or the migs
is relased incomplete and never fixed like the KF-41we can’t have thinks fixed like my SAM/P T that still can’t hit helicopters for some reason and not to forget the over br vehicles
but this isn’t the place to talk about it
You can also make the same argument for the US, USSR, Germany, UK, Japan, China, France, Sweden and Israel. I just don’t get the concept that people can believe the developers willingly put a nation in the game that they didn’t have to, just to hate on it.
Also the source used earlier for British and Italian engineers working on it, they got an award “for (their) work on the AW159 helicopter’s Digital Automatic Flight Control System.” So it’s just a small part of the electronics, you’re gonna need more proof than that to prove it belongs in Italy.
^source used in question
I never said they did nothing hence the word little in my original comment
That’s not how it works though. For example Ajax is produced by the UK arms of General Dynamics and Lockheed Martin, yet no one is seriously going to argue Ajax is in any way an American tank. General Dynamics UK and Lockheed Martin UK are British companies owned by their American counterparts (like Leonardo UK). These companies work on British national projects, usually with a fairly large degree of separation from their parent companies.
Italian staff at the UK plant…
The success of this project was all down to the partnership, collaboration and very high quality work of our engineers. Working alongside each other at our UK helicopter centre of excellence in Yeovil, the engineers from our UK and Italian departments brought a mixture of skills and experience which are critical to delivering a DAFCS into an air platform. My thanks go to the whole team
The presence of Italian Leonardo staff at Leonardo UK in Yeovil doesn’t make it a Italian helicopter… The same way that Leonardo UK working on ECRS Mk1 with Hensoldt & Indra doesn’t make it now a UK radar…