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A completely useless aircraft, even worse than the dreadful Hornets. And this aircraft will be inferior in speed to all modern European and Russian aircraft.
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Interchanging f15e and f15c ge would be a good choice
Agreed. The F-15C is originally a 13.7 BR vehicle, while the new “Golden Eagle” version was placed at 14.3 BR. If it doesn’t receive an increase in missile count, and only gets an AESA radar and the AIM-120C5, then it only suits a 14.0 BR. The performance of the AIM-120C5 in the game is not outstanding; its close-range performance is worse than the AIM-120A/B, and the C5’s maneuverability is not great. Compared to other 14.3 BR aircraft like the Rafale and the Typhoon, the F-15C is significantly inferior in both maneuverability and engine performance .
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If it’s meant to bridge the gap with the current 14.3s than maybe it shouldn’t be 14.3? If it remains a sidegrade to the F-15E I don’t see why it should be above 14.0?
There are so many easy ways to make it more 14.3 worthy like giving it the BOL etc.
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- Sidegrade to F-15C*
- BOL is likely
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Needs FM rework (bug report submitted and accepted)
Needs BOL (bug report submitted and accepted)
Anything else would be an extra. Though, if it did get quad racks that would be perfect. 12 AMRAAMs would make it competitive but not the best fighter at that BR (obviously.)
And to talk about the person who’s calling it a stopgap, go and listen to yourself. It’s 14.3. If it were a stopgap, it’d be 14.0 and at its current state should not be more than 13.7. They went ahead and put it at top tier.
The F15E will likely be the better choice for air rb.
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Ngl if this plane doesn’t get better or more weapons or better engines I see no reason for it to be higher than 13.7
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A radar upgrade doesn’t make a plane 0.7 BR better
hell no, what are you smoking? The normal F15C has 240 CM and I rarely ever run out. Having 1000 would just be “nice” and not game breaking at all.
- I never said anything about F18 should go up to 14.3
- F18 doesnt need ESA radar. The current one that F18C has is good enough. You are not going to be flying 10km high and slinging aim120 at enemy planes 70km away because you can’t beat the current top dogs of BVR. You are going to fly low and fight opponents under 30km anyway. What use is it to detect enemy 50km+?
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I would rather keep the 8 missiles and instead have them fix the C-5 to actually have a notch resistant seeker
Imo there is no point in having a million missiles if they all are only viable against AFK targets in BVR
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Yes it’s capable, but the gap between F15C and other planes like EF2000, F15E, Rafale, etc. is going to be big and you are going to lag behind a lot in BVR, you are going to fight a losing battle. That’s why those planes are at 14.3 and F15C isnt.
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seems to me like you are simply describing the rafale, which had all these and more))
if the only change is radar it is simply a 13.7 vehicle at 14.3 and thus is DOA
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It’s not just a radar upgrade though. Still unfinished and so far we know it has AESA and C-5. We also know it is likely to/will receive BOL pods, making an additional 760 small calibre countermeasures. Yes, it would be “nice” however it also heavily increases its survivability. It doesn’t matter if you or anyone else personally never runs out of it – in fact, good for you, however it doesn’t change that it basically becomes Merica’s Gripen (minus dogfight flight performance, obviously).
You didn’t, it was discussed earlier on when it was introduced though.
I didn’t say it did either? Just noting the difference. The thing about BVR isn’t to always aim for a kill (though it’s nice when it happens); it’s to put yourself and your team by extension in a more favourable tactical position by forcing enemy planes defensive early. Sometimes they hit, most of the time they won’t and that’s okay and now you have both speed+alt advantage that they don’t. Yes, almost no one shoots beyond ~40 km in top tier but it’s still a valid tactic to have a missile out in the air before anyone else
you still will be fighting against WAY superior FMs, which also will recieve 120C-5 buffs…
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Even if it receive BOL pod + AESA + C-5, it isnt a 14.3 plane. All of these “upgrades” are not game changing at all. Why would anyone play the F15C Golden Eagle if there is the exact same plane at 0.7 BR lower? Only “real” upgrade for it to be at 14.3 is getting aim9x but I doubt it would get it.
C-5 sucks by the way. It’s only good for long range shots, exclusively. It doesn’t pull as hard as the A/B model and it accelerates slower. And for a plane that doesn’t have top performance for BVR to give the C-5 a good launch speed, its DOA. If I want to do BVR then I’d take the F15E
Yes it’s a valid tactic but you are in a F18C against 14.3 BVR monster lol. You are not gona make them go defensive in a BVR, you are the one who is on the defensive the entire time if you decide to do BVR with F18.
I hate to tell you how to fly your plane but if you want to do BVR with F18 then I wish you luck cuz the plane just isn’t built for it.
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Yeah I was being a little bit generous with calling it a sidegrade to the F-15E because I just like AESA radars much much more than mechanical ones in top tier.
But here’s hoping that it will at least get BOL, because any extra benefits it can get are better than no extra benefits.
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Yea the 15C was already pretty mediocre at most out of the 13.7s, primarily due to the missile kit. They aren’t outright bad but the things they are good at are less useful and the things they fall short in are the more useful performance metrics. It’s why the 15J(M) performs so much better. Now we’re taking those exact same shortcomings and bumping it to 14.3 with no changes other than a radar and perhaps BOL pods (if you’re frequently running out of countermeasures with 240 you need to learn to use them better).
The quad wing rails would give some sorely needed parity with the SU-30, turning this plane into a direct contemporary rather than the runt of the BR. There’s much more evidence of the rails being functional on these aircraft than there was for the fictional double belly racks on the SU-27SM and SU-30SM. Even if added, the quantity still doesn’t fix the things that make a 120/9M loadout mediocre, so the SU-30 will still be a more powerful vehicle.
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in theory it can, but never did
Operational outer pylons is an Advanced Eagle thing, requires the FBW iirc
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