God pls no
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Only 1 14.0 F-18 doesn’t have anything other than aim 120 A so having the 120D might be solid if kept at the same BR
i mean thats just my best guess as it wouldnt make sense for any other plane
I’d imagine it gets improved seeker ie narrower FoV, if they intend it to be an actual upgrade.
Honestly I am not even sure if that would be the case. Even the top level ARH AMRAAM SAMs are stuck with the standardized FOV, I would not be surprised if the only upgrade was GNSS.
The bare minimum needed is B/C5 buffs/fixes. Otherwise we are screwed
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Second generation of ARH SAMs do have narrower seeker FoV, with Buk being posterboi bussian rias with 3.5 degree FoV… that is still chaffable as any other missile, while stronger (?) seeker announces itself 40km from target, not usual 20km.
I was talking about the AMRAAM SAMs since they are applicable upgrades to the family itself. I’d assume that the stated improvements in the guidance section and target acquisition stated in the public release files would have prompted atleast those versions to have a better seeker, and since there’s even less data about the D variant I doubt they will do anything more than the GNSS addition.
C7 and AMRAAM-ER do have identical seeker properties, but latter has reworked PID guidance which may or may not help with getting on target.
ER has quite bit higher max fin AoA, thrust vectoring and significantly lower air drag coefficient, also drastically steeper lofting trajectory. Does that fit “improvements in guidance section and target acquisition”? Dunno.
Then GPS for air to air missiles all it does is reduces already low inertial guidance drift to zero. Someone did somewhere math and for usual 2m/s drift present on AMRAAM, missile had to fly for something like 30 minutes before drift would become a concern. And we’re talking about pure IOG launch, without datalink support.
hopefully other aircraft wont receive them, so their performance can be used to balance under preforming aircraft
unlike how they added AIM-120C to the best airframe in game and then lost the ability to use it to balance the worst top tier aircraft
that’s what I think they’re considering, not the Typhoons but things like the F-15J(M), Israel top tier etc.
So the Typhoons might get the Aim-120D?
That wouldn’t really give a great time to the US jets I guess.
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why? its already a much better F15C MSIP at the same BR
if they did then whatever this shiny new US plane is (almost certainly the F-15EX) will be without a shadow of a doubt completely and totally DOA.
Eurofighters have a better radar, better climb rate, undeniably better performance at every altitude, while the F15EX would have… uhhh… maybe a higher top speed if you climb really high?
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But there is more than just the EFT, Gripen E is one of that comes to mind that is if anything, more desperate for buffs than the F-15C GE is and then there is also Japan and Israel too
Though even then, EFTs need at least C5 buffs to compete, they could very easily end up with the weakest missiles at top tier before long and begin to fall behind hard simply because people dislike the EFT actually being good
C-5s do need a buff, but AIM-120Ds atleast should be an exclusive to the US tech tree. The entire reason why the US air tree has been dead in the water isnt because its really bad persay, more just that the entire tree is based on equipment more than airframes, and if every other nation gets the same equipment and the same, if not better airframes, theres no reason to play the US at all, which is why its in the miserable state its in right now. If other nations get the AIM-120D then the trees jsut gonna die again since the shiny new missile means nothing if its also avalible on an infinitely better airframe
so should C-5s get buffed instead of handing out 120Ds like candy? yes. but like hell gaijin would ever buff american weapons. You have several year old bug reports on AMRAAMs and the abrams that are still “Accepted”
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But Again, what do you give Japan, Israel and Sweden then?
Why should Aim-120Ds be US Only?
Heck Israel doesnt even have a top tier AESA, they are way weaker than the US at the moment, if anyone needs buffs first, its Israel
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so that america has a reason to exist. why was the F15C GE and F-18E both DOA? because they had the same missiles and a worse radar than the eurofighters, and worse missiles and a worse radar than the SU30s. if the gripen and inevitable israeli F-15IA (which considering how the F15I was a copy pasted F-15E with better engines) both gets AIM-120Ds, why should anyone use the F15EX?
an AIM-120C-5 buff is due, and would likely be enough for other nations, but if the AIM-120D gets handed out like it did last time the US is gonna be once again dead in the water and completely useless like it is now
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Took a while before you came with your usual “EFT suffers” talk, kind of suprised you didn’t come out swinging hard with that.
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For starters, 120D needs to prove itself to be an actual upgrade, and so far there doesn’t seem to be any credible info about that that doesn’t poke sekrit dokuments territory. Same about C5, just nebulous and vague statements from 3rd party sources, most solid info being motor which seems to be correctly modeled, only way to improve it would be more potent propellant, producing more thrust. But I doubt you will gain more than 5-10% thrust that way, unless you prove it runs on powdered unicorns or something.