I’d love an april’s fool event with that thing and hussite war caravan thingies.
The Stuarts and the M109, They already had loads of light tanks already in the game that fill the same role yet got those anyway, The M109 should have been the AS-90 instead(Fires faster so would probably be higher BR but still), Plus the G6 was already in the game and had its BR lowered to nearly the same spot.
Might not sound like much but it gets worse across all the trees, There is an entire third of the TT sprinkled around with the majority of them either already having equivalents or ones that have been suggested instead.
There are threads about giving them the T14(They didn’t build and they rejected it) The M24(They already have loads of low tier lights) The M22(Only one that makes any sense but still have plenty of lights) the M4A2 75 (old forums) so all of those are probably on the way.
The pic wasn’t a real suggestion its a joke about the Italians coming up with the concept first.
Because they already have, in the game at this very moment, Loads of their own MBT’s and the AIM was in fact, Used by the US, While also being an American made tank with an American made upgrade package, It has even less to do with the Brits than even the Skink has to the Americans(They supplied the engine and some other parts at least), Neither should be copied, But its funny how one instance is treated as an equal to the other when they are not even from the same era or class of vehicle.
TL:DR: Copy paste is out of hand and surrounded by hypocrisy.
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Don’t forget this too.
Would be hilarious to see this flying around dropping little hand grenade sized bombs in some goofy event lol.
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So, one joint projects between the US and UK and one that they simply used?
As for the rest, they have no deal with having those.
Congrats on learning how the sale of military equipment works. That aside, by your logic, Sweden shouldn’t have their Strv 121/122 tanks because they are German produced (Rheinmetall/KMW), so you’re presenting a hard double negative.
An export is an export, no matter the seller nor buyer.
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A few more,
- Sherman II: Near identical to the M4A1, only real difference being late war US APCR that could be added to the American tank as well, which somehow justifies a BR increase of .3 over the former.
- Grant I: This tank is a version of the M3 Lee specifically designed for the British. The US version of the tank was added with the release of the American ground tree as a bundle vehicle. Despite this, when the British version arrived almost two years later, it ended up as an event vehicle. As a result, it was largely unobtainable outside of the marketplace, unlike the US version which was reinstated during War Thunder’s 6th anniversary in 2018 as a GE premium.
- M4A5: Similarly to the Grant, this vehicle arrived in America first (ironically right around the time that Britain got its Grant as an event reward), and until recently, no plans were known to give it to Britain. Unless Gaijin removes it from sale in the USA tree, I suspect it will end up largely as a copied premium with little to no incentive to buy the British version over the American one.
“Joint project” aka they just bought them?
Soooo wheres America’s T-72’s, T-80’s, T-90’s, Hinds, Pantsir and others? They purchased loads of those from many different nations and actively use them in training, Where exactly does the line get drawn?
Hell they even modified centurions, Why not give them one of those too?
Lets just remove tech trees all together and just make everything mixed only.
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The company that produced them, modern day BAE?
Most are Demilitarized IIRC
Modern day, After the British adopted the AS-90 to replace the 109’s, Before it was United Defense Industries, An American company, I have yet to read anything that says the 109’s where built elsewhere after that.
l’ll try to remember (bear in mind from memory) the involvement of USA in the development of the skink.
I will agree the Grizzly hull the skink is built off is a licence built M4A1 with some unique Canadian modifications. However the hull was manufactured in Canada by the Montreal Locomotive Works.
USA was interested in the development of the skink as the project as a whole could potentially changw how USA combated against enemy air attacks. A US repersentative was at some of the demonstrations and trails of the skink that occured in canada. However due to delays and the length of the project USA showed some but little interest in ever procuring a skink for themselves as by that time the allies were already pushing the germans back and there was not as much need for anti air as the allied airforce had air superiority and the resources to quickly deploy.
From what I can remember UK and USA were both interested in the turret kits that would allow M4’s with some modifications to be converted into Skinks. From my knowledge USA was not sent any. (I can fact check if enough people are interested)
Photo of one of the “surviving” turrets located at the Royal Canadian Artillery Museum at CFB Shilo
There were many turret casts that were completed but only around 3 fully completed skink vheicles.
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Da Vinci designed the precursor to a modern Tank. Not necessarily a tank though.
Pretty sure the transmission and Engine were US-made.
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Not only that, the M4A5, is nothing more than an official designation given to it. Was nothing more than a M3 Lee, not a grant but the Lee. That was heavily modified.
I don’t get what point you are trying to make here? Having an American M3 Lee chassis does not change the fact that the Ram II was completely redesigned to Canadian specifications, for Canadian use.
Provided we both agree that Canadian vehicles are more suited to the British tree as a result of being Commonwealth, the presence of a US chassis should not justify America receiving this vehicle over the UK.
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Regarding the Skink, do you recommend using the adjustment of fire or unequipping it? because sometimes more bullet spread is better
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Having an M3 Lee Frame means it was the reason why it was on the US prem/event lines. This is why the Canadian Leopard is on the German Prem/Event Line. They go by Country of Origin but also take into consideration the percentage produced in the country that is going to use it.
There’s a reason, the Ram II consists of->Majority->US, minority->Canadian modifications.
So it’s going to the US Tree, however for the Brits->The Skink besides the engine and transmission->British Tech Tree. Since very very little of it is still of US Origin.
However, because of that, it means the Skink going to the US Tree was because of the engine and transmission. It’s also cheaper than as i stated paying 4 months worth of wages just for a new vehicle to be added.
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Yeah but there are PLENTIY of other spaa that i would want rather than the skink
The guns are spread quite a bit vertically and horizontally already, I think it has enough spread. Plus, with how low the velocity is, having them be reliably accurate at least is a must.
General Oerlikon/Polsten/Skink question: Is the fairly low velocity correct? Are any better ammo types available? Ammo comparable or worse to the velocity and range of the wirbel at a much higher BR really hurts…
It’s pure laziness. They had years to address the US SPAA gap with tons of domestic US designs. Here’s a list of ones with 20mm’s.
T10E1 Half-track:
- 2x 20mm Hispano 404
3 Elco turreted vehicles:
- 6x .50 cal & 2x 20mm Oerlikon (on truck)
- 4x 20mm Oerlikon (on truck)
- 4x 20mm Oerlikon & 2x .50 cal (on half-track)
T85:
- 4x 20mm Oerlikon (T19)
- 4x 20mm Hispano (T19E1)
M114A2:
- 1x 20mm M139 (HS.820)
M113 (unsure of official designation):
- 3x 20mm HS.820
There’s likely more as well.
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As one of the players that advocated for the Skink to be brought into the game to start with I’m really not happy with adding it to the US tree. There is no historical support for this and it just has the effect of dumbing down the game more. Not every faction needs to have a vehicle in every category at every BR. The US is a great faction to play with tons of great vehicles. It doesn’t need the Skink and having it only in the UK tree makes playing UK more interesting. There has been a crazy about to sprinkling vehicles across factions in the last few years. Everyone gets an M18, M24, M36, M44, M109 etc. All this does is make any one faction less interesting and the game as whole less.
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