Here’s the thing: Merkavas normally fight people using RPGs, they don’t fight other ranks. Merkavas were built based around urban fighting and anti-tank defences, not fighting Leopards or T-series tanks.
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Not at all, they were the first tanks to fight T72s and T80s. The fact that they are designed with protection in mind, doesnt make them out of paper. They should still, even for the sake of balance and viability of Israel give them an armor equal or better to the T90M.
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I call this tank ‘Greeny’ on other tanks you search for the green spots. On these tanks you search for red/yellow spots.
How is israel a nation in warthunder again?
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Because someone whined enough for a tech tree of Copy-Paste America with French fighter jets.
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There’s a huge difference between T-72s to T-55s and T-62s to T-80s.
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Having same or better armor than T-90M without any cons of that tank would immediately push Merkavas to 12.7.
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Its crazy thing to do because all of it is just Patton, Skyhawk, Mirage and F-16.
Cut out the politics
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Merkavas are in dire need of an armor buff, push it to 80tons and make it super armored then it would certainly be the best tank.
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I mean its factual though, there’s no real threat to seriously consider KE protection on their tanks no? even against potential “real opponent” most of them employs mobile AT unit that shoot and scoot with RPG, Kornet or Tow. Surely they will consider prioritising CE protection over KE so buffing the armour and not going KE over CE because someone in War Thunder Trademark Copyright can’t find a perfect positioning to protect their tank from getting shot at in the first place. We are coddling skill issue at this point. it’s like expecting ALL US plane get buffed with anti-spotting coating because they quote unquote “disabled enemy radar before flying in 3000 black jet” instead of making them work in a level playing field as is without Tomahawk and E3 support.
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even if we dont mention the political end of Israel, the tank is still fighting against CE, its just factual to say “Merkava doesn’t give a damn about KE because everyone is slinging Kornet and RPG, and a war thunder player with skill issue TM should not change that reality”.
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This is still a video game though.
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There is indeed no KE threat, or at least not now. Pretty sure there was documentation somewhere lying around about it’s armour being meant for urban areas, which makes sense to focus on CE. There is a good report regarding it’s armour, but I’m unsure if it’s still waiting for approval or not. If I had to guess however, the armor for KE comes just because of how much CE protection it has.
As for Israel facing armor, yes, they have not done that since decades, at least from what I can remember, however there is no reason mentioning them “running people over” as it literally contributes to absolutely nothing
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Exactly, these tanks are not built for War Thunder. It’s just like the Churchill and Matilda: they’re infantry tanks, they did good at “bunker busting” but we’re not designed to fight actual armoured opponents like the Panzer IVs and Tigers.
Yeah, a video game that sells realism as part of their charm. If merkava CE protection is the biggest selling point then so be it, swallow the suffering. I don’t whine when F-16AJ or Phantom EJ Kai can’t use napalm because they indeed didn’t use napalm (which makes me curious why tf does F-15J have BLU-27), why israeli main must whine when their anti-CE munitions tank can’t save themelves from KE munitions?
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Yeah, doesn’t mean a bloody thing. Churchills, Matildas, and other “infantry” tanks suffer in lower BRs because they were designed to protect infantry, not fight other heavy tanks. “But but I get 6 gorgillion kills in muh Churchill, skill issue” good job, doesn’t change the fact that they are heavy, slow fortresses that were designed to protect infantry, not fight other tanks. Merkavas are similar: designed to fight infants… I mean infantry, not fight tanks.
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Fair on every point. That being said surely a pure CE armour can’t be better than full anti KE armour. Merkava main should just cut the whining and play their GRB lineup to their strength: Using planes.
Yeah i agree Merks only fight against human made RPGs but that doesn’t change the fact that they’re 80tons which makes it the heaviest main battle tank in the world, you can’t just say that 80tons is just straight up made to protect again Kornet and RPGs, you can also go ahead and check the old threads about this matter they posted reasonable sources.
80 ton of CE screen will not increase your chance to survive a DM63 to the face. Again, stop whining, strap that Ra’am and Barak to your lineup, go cap a point with namer, get an assist and a kill, then spawn the goddamn plane.