Why you dont add Argentina or Switzerland air force to germany
France befor add belgum and Netherlands one of the best air in game and now is the monster
Germany have mot GNSS or TV ammo until rank VII
German air really is to weak on CAS
DO-335
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Most nations don’t
Germany has Swiss Hunter Mk.58 which carries Maverick’s at VI.
And another Swiss attacker, the P-16, btw.
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We have swiss, the hunter gets FNF missiles at a criminally low BR, even if America gets them at 8.7 (why).
7.0-8.0 is really the only big black hole in the tree for air in general.
Praying for the f18 eventually to have something fun to fly around 13.0, german air from like 11.0 to 13.7 is hella mid. We have the 2 planes at 13.0 but ones a powercrept to oblivion mig29 like the rest of the them and a phantom. You have to go through mud to get to the typhoon.
at 10.3+ for GRB you have the phantom, with mavs, 3klb bomb, and zunis is pretty OK. Not a fan of the tornados with just dumb bomb loadouts, su22 is another option at 11.0 but I don’t think its really better than the 10.3 phantom, pretty much the same loadout trading vulcan for low ammo count 30mm and r60m and a worse flight model.
Also we have the best heli in the game im pretty sure at 12.3
lol
haven’t got any usable guided A2G weapons until 11.7 for any of my lineups
this is a joke post right?
Germany does not need a subtree at all, you have all the wundewaffe you can dream of and then the best of NATO and USSR before getting the tonka and typhoon.
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weak cas? hardly, DO335, FW190’s, and Ho229 do you good from 4.0 - 7.X.
After that, G91s, Alpha jets or Il-28’s are solid enough. I hear it suffers at top tier, but i don’t think you’ll have to worry about that for a while
no it doesnt, the agm62 is a guided bomb and isnt OP, and the a4e early is 9.3 in grb
Its pretty nutty at 9.3
That’s a bit stretch
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of the planes you’ve listed almost all of them are way outclassed by in both payload and fighting capability by other planes in other trees…
DoA 335 (dead on Arrival as I call it, if anything flying looks at you) sitting at a rediculous 4.3 for the A-1 with a 1000kg max payload & @ 4.7 A-0 with zero payload you’re a sitting duck that gaijin has overtiered or undertiered its contemporaries…
755- 774km/h for the planes and I dont even have to choose the best fighters to show how outclassed they are…
Just looking at the US tree we got the
4.3 F4U-4 a fighter with a payload of 1400kg that can actually dogfight after its payload is dropped…
711km/h
and not to mention the 4.7 F8F-1 another fighter with a payload of 1640kg that can actually dogfight after its payload is dropped…
827 km/h
both planes outbeat the Do335 in both anti-air capability and ground pounding ordnance “BUT what about the cannon?” yeah that only comes into play when you’re left un-molested in the air and that doesn’t happen long enough to make effective use of the cannon for its magazine of 70 rounds.
These are prime examples of “wuderwaffe” (sarcasm heavily implied) and not a case of practically all german props being BR crept walked into obscurity by the constant undertiering of US and Russian planes and a perpetual BR stagnation of German aircraft hardly if ever getting a BR reduction. I mean honestly we got Me 262’s facing early cold war jets that beat them in every single category for practically a 0.3br increase.
Ju 288C 6.0 admittedly is by far Germany’s best “heavy” bomber and gaijin has beat it with the artificial nerf bat quite a few times. Now its hull is practically soaked in gasoline ready to be lit on fire with a single spark, not to mention its hidden behind a 45.00 dollar paywall its a one and done bomber with a top speed of 630km/h because of the fighters I mentioned above being faster than it at lower BR’s you’re lucky if you can make it to the drop zone by 6.0 and you might want to buy a lotto ticket if you can make a second takeoff and complete a bomb drop.
Me 262 A-1/U4 Pulkzerstorer? you really think this is good? annoying yeah, ill give it that, but its not good. To really utilize its ammo to the fullest it will take away a player from the Team for a flying Puma Cannon with 32 rounds for most of the match to utilize the cannon. By the same aspect if the 50mm is so good why dont you hear anyone bragging that the Me 410 A1/U4 and B1/U4’s are good with the same cannon?..
Ar 234 B-2 now you’ve gotta be pulling my leg, with a top speed of 742km/h after it drops its 1600kg payload and no weaponry to talk about at BR 6.3, its outclassed in its job by fighter in the US tech tree…
6.0 P-51H-5-NA top speed 776km/h A PROP FIGHTER THATS FASTER AT A LOWER RATING, with a comparable payload weight of 1500kg GIVE ME A BREAK…
Now onto the Alpha Jet A sitting at AB 9.0, RB 8.7 (9.0GRB), SB 9.0 now that we got that out of the way lets meet the better alternative in the US tree at almost the same battle rating and it does everything better…
A-4E Early sits at AB 9.0, RB 8.7 (9.3 GRB), SB 9.3 with a 3720kg max payload almost double the Alpha Jets’s 1930kg max payload, 50 more rounds of cannon ammo, it gets A2A missiles, RWR (artificially missing on the alphajet), and not in the least it also has access to TV guided bombs, or even more 14x 500lb bombs or 20x 250lb dumb bombs… whats the alphajet get that makes it so good that puts it on par? … oh CCIP… for a max loadout… of 6 bombs… in a GRB rating that puts in infront of radar equipped SPAA some of which have proxy fuzed munitions (M247), A2G stinger equivalent missiles (ZSU-23-4M4, PGZ04A), IFV’s w/optical tracking on autocannon, optically guided G2A missiles, etc… good luck getting 6 bombs off accurately…
EF-2000 Typhoon with artificially gimped in both A2G capacity and A2A capacity (due to poor modeling of the radar), realistically speaking gaijin could have hindered the eurofighter less and gave it comparable fire and forget weaponry by making them artificially “Infared” to alert ground forces and would at least put Germany on the same foot as with other nations in CAS capability but yet again Germany is outclassed in CAS capability be it realistically or artificially like the EF-2000, I mean seriously the Brimstones are a joke and require such a high skill ceiling to utilize meanwhile by time you’ve used half your payload and dodged several Pantsir missiles other nations have already wiped out half your team and are climbing to altitude to drop the other half of the German team… and you say that Germany isn’t lacking in CAS?
literally the German maximum amount of fire and forget weaponry for ALL fixed wing aircraft as of right now is a whopping MAXIMUM of 2, be it Infrared weapons or TV guided weaponry or even a combination of the two, and they’re all 100% of them are on flying bricks, meanwhile Russia and USA have multiple aircraft sporting 4-6 or more FnF munitions on much more capable air-frames than the Su-22’s and the F-4F which suffers from a lack of any access to front aspect missiles and the still criminally over tiered for GRB F-4F KWS LV with a GRB of 12.0 which still faces directly against every single top tier jets because they get the automatic top BR of 13.0 for GRB
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you seem to think that you should be able to dogfight enemy planes in the do335, and if you are trying, its no wonder you think its bad, youre faster than most planes at a like BR especially in the 4.3/4.7 do335s, just bomb and run away, and then do it again and again, you have impunity if you use it correctly
skill issue
I do hear that, theyre also quite fun
what is it with you and wanting to dogfight in strike aircraft, the ar234 is functionally immune to both enemy anti air and enemy planes, its criminal that its at 6.3 in grb, and you have a bomb sight so if you ever miss a bomb thats a major skill issue, not everything is about maximum payload genius
- its not on par, its 0.3 br lower than the a4E
- the CCIP is worth it, its 6 free kills if you arent bad
- why are you so obsessed with max payload? oh the a4e can carry 14 500lbs bombs, yeah but you arent going to use them, so its not useful in grb
all planes with mechanical radars are having the same issues RN at top tier
18 fire and forget brimstones is 100x worse than 6 kh38mts, it would be more than on the same foot as other nations, also by other nations you mean only russia which is really the only nation with exceptional CAS all other nations are basically on the same level.
EVERYONE IS
its 12.0 because of its anti air capability
not true, when I play top tier, I never bring anything higher than 12.0 and I get 11.0-12.0 games about 50% of the time
lmao
you seem to think that you should be able to dogfight enemy planes in the do335, and if you are trying, its no wonder you think its bad, youre faster than most planes at a like BR especially in the 4.3/4.7 do335s, just bomb and run away, and then do it again and again, you have impunity if you use it correctly
First Underline, If you’re not faster you should be able to fight, in which to the second underline contrary to what you just said in that block of conjecture, I picked a naval fighter at 4.3 and its 44km/h slower… thats not runawayable if you do any sort of CAS activity and I Just proved without a doubt that what you just said was practically impossible, you’re not faster than most fighters as you claim at all. In the case of the A-0 that happens to be both slower than the fighter I listed and has zero payload you cant use the cannon if you’re running away from a fighter thats faster than you… IE worthless as CAS…
what is it with you and wanting to dogfight in strike aircraft, the ar234 is functionally immune to both enemy anti air and enemy planes, its criminal that its at 6.3 in grb, and you have a bomb sight so if you ever miss a bomb thats a major skill issue, not everything is about maximum payload genius
strawman argument after strawman argument, putting words into my mouth. I mentioned it has no armament as point that its not even capable to even dissuade a head on, not to mention its SLOWER than Fighter PROPS at its BR that are carrying MORE BOMBS and have armament are you dense or did you hit your head at some point. To that point even if an enemy plane was directly in-front of you, even a bomber you cant do anything to help with Anti-CAS.
- its not on par, its 0.3 br lower than the a4E
2. the CCIP is worth it, its 6 free kills if you arent bad
3.why are you so obsessed with max payload? oh the a4e can carry 14 500lbs bombs, yeah but you arent going to use them, so its not useful in grb
- Its functionally Identical BR for being worse, what matters more is that Germany doesn’t even have a ground lineup at 9.0 you have exactly 2 tanks at 9.0 in the regular tree, 3 if you include the event vehicle TH800(Class 3 (P))
- says the guy who doesn’t even have the plane
3.A (rhetorical for most people with functioning brains) Why do i mention payload after payload after payload… gee isn’t the point of CAS to bomb and destroy ground forces??? Man I wonder?? its almost like there’s a point to good CAS having decent payload weights and technology and bad CAS lacking in those departments, when you compare CAS capabilities of a plane that’s inferior to fighters at doing CAS things maybe its because the planes which you are saying are good are NOT GOOD CAS planes and you’re projecting a opinion that’s factually wrong…
3.B because even if you take the Walleye bombs on the A4E, and use them to take out the active AA from beyond cannon range, you’re still carrying the max payload of the alpha jet able to take out 6 kills without worrying about being shot down, thats a total of 8 kills if you’re not bad as you so put it… and thats not to mention the 5 bullpups the A4E has access to.
18 fire and forget brimstones is 100x worse than 6 kh38mts, it would be more than on the same foot as other nations, also by other nations you mean only russia which is really the only nation with exceptional CAS all other nations are basically on the same level.
so Nerf the count, its not like gaijin isn’t already heavily restricting its CAS payload options and the FnF brimstones would hardly change how it plays out now other than it wouldn’t be always one sided to favor Russia all the time…
when the match devolves right now at one Russian player rushing to get into the Su-30SM and decimate practically the whole entire enemey team where they fire off all 6 x kh38mts on the Su-30SM in 10 seconds, J’s out, uses a free backup for another 6x kh38mts and is now sitting at 12ish kills, now they have the option to J out into the Su-34 or fly back to base to rearm, the Su-34 with 6x Kh-38MT’s is probably quicker given that it wont take many Russian players doing the same thing to ruin the entire match for the opposing side and end the match early…
top speed is not the stat you should be looking at, you should take the plane into a test drive and see what speed you can reach in a straight line trust me the do335 is one of the fastest planes at 4.3/4.7 and can easily run away from most enemys, especially if you keep your speed up and the enemy doesnt which happens a lot in GRB, so everything else you said in this paragraph is meaningless because your main argument is founded on an incorrect premise
says you, i said you want to dogfight with strike aircraft because you clearly do, you were complaining about the ar234 not having guns, but they would be a bad idea to use if it had them because you should drop the 3 bombs and get 3 kills and then go get more bombs
can you guess how many tanks the USA has at 9.3 to go with the a4e early? one, so bad argument having a lineup is not what this discussion is about
yeah but unlike most warthunder players I have friends who do, and I trust their experience
my point in bringing up your obsession with max payload is that the ar234 gets 3 bomb drops whereas the p51h5 has a single bomb drop, so yeah the max payload is worthless, because p51 gets 1 ground kill per sortie, whereas the ar234 should be getting at least 3, plus did i mention it gets a bomb sight and is fast enough to be functionally impossible to kill at its BR
so yeah max payload is not that useful
werent you complaining about the G2A missiles that start showing up at 9.0 and above as well as proxy AA that has lots of range?
anyway if you want to take max bombload on the a4e early lets say you take 2 agm62A, 2 agm12b, and 3 1000lbs (youre not gonna carry smaller bombs), thats 2 kills with the agm62As, 0-1 kills with the agm12bs cause they suck now, and maybe 1-3 kills with the 1000lbs so a total of 3-7 kills, compare that to alpha jet which is functionally 6 guaranteed kills unless youre bad
as you say i said and youre right, this is assuming youre not bad, but not assuming youre good, so carrying bombs in the a4e is not the same as carrying them in the alpha jet because the a4e does not get ccip
i agree, or even better remove the kh38mt and only allow missiles with range longer than 10km to be laser guided or beam riding